China used Huawei to hack network, says report • Hacker News Board

Re: China used Huawei to hack network, says report

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Post by oliloz » Sat, Nov 03, 2018, 8:57 PM UTC

Khaine wrote: post #70

sametmax wrote: post #12

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Already forgot PRISM ? No wonder they do stuff like this when the public attention span is so small.

One government is actually putting people into fucking camps[1], the other isn't. The scale in which the Chinese Government is bad dwarfs the bad things the US Government may do. No Government is perfect, but there are orders of magnitudes in difference between the badness of the US and that of the Chinese Government. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-45812419

Showing that China is putting people into "fucking camps" does not say anything about how much I should trust the tech they sell to me.

Re: China used Huawei to hack network, says report

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Post by hnmonkey » Sat, Nov 03, 2018, 8:59 PM UTC

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #72

hatersgonnahate wrote: post #32

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Huawei phones are still great in terms of affordability with high end spec. Tell the nonrich people more about the eavesdropping and most don’t give it shit

I'm using one; given GCHQ/NSA/whoever already are watching my data, that UK ISPs use Huawei gear - and from who knows where - I don't really care. I can't see what they'd want with my info. If I was working on stuff to be patented or something then maybe ... If I use an Apple device the Chinese or USAmericans could be surveilling me; Samsung/LG, perhaps the Koreans; Sony/Fujitsu maybe the Japanese ... I wouldn't know…

Just to be clear... paranoia is an irrational fear that people are out to get you. If you are actually being spied on by someone (you are) then that word doesn't apply since the fear of that spying is 100% rational.

Re: China used Huawei to hack network, says report

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Post by throw8910 » Sat, Nov 03, 2018, 9:07 PM UTC

The growing danger is apps originating in china that request excessive permissions. Utility apps that claim to save battery & space are all suspects. At a minimum they are adware, but most likely state owned malware.

Re: China used Huawei to hack network, says report

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Post by Leary » Sat, Nov 03, 2018, 9:26 PM UTC

hnmonkey wrote: post #59

IllogicalLogic wrote: post #46

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IP theft aside, anti-Chinese propoganda goes back 200 years in the US and UK. Is this question about proof a joke?

Can I have some of the verifiable evidence of your anti-Chinese propaganda from the last 10 years? You seem adamant that there's an abundance of it across the globe and that it's so pervasive over the past 200 years. I'd love to see just some of the recent bits.

https://supchina.com/2018/03/12/kuora-the-bias-inherent-in-a...

Re: China used Huawei to hack network, says report

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Post by mabbo » Sat, Nov 03, 2018, 9:36 PM UTC

Fnoord wrote: post #54

mabbo wrote: post #4

> Don't think about this in terms of just governments tracking you. Consider if you have any work emails containing company secrets in them. Consider if you have 2FA apps installed that you would use to unlock or change your work password. And since it was almost certainly the Chinese Intel/Military that helps Huawei and other companies, you can be sure that whatever information Huawei gets access to doesn't need to…

2FA "apps" which are used on the same device are not really 2FA. Use a physical device instead of that.

I've seen 2FA apps that are used for logging into company non-mobile websites.

Re: China used Huawei to hack network, says report

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Post by raprp » Sat, Nov 03, 2018, 9:44 PM UTC

tomp wrote: post #77

raprp wrote: post #62

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Lets not mention the torture program, which the current head of CIA took part. Or the "humanitarian" invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan, Lybia and Syria without UN Security Council mandate. Especially Lybya, which is much more democratic now with it's slave markets. Or the protectionism that goes against the WTO treaties. Or by weaponizing the dollar, which is supposed to be the world's reserve currency, by the means of s…

Now, honestly, would you rather live in Russia, China or the US?

If I had to move to one the 3 would be the US for sure.

I find China a bit chaotic and Russia too conservative for me (although St. Petersbourg seemed a really cool place).

I'm very critic of the US government, especially regarding foreign policy, but that does not mean I have a problem with regular Americans at all.

On the contrary there are lots o very important initiatives started by Americans. I just wish the focus of the government would shift to them.

Re: China used Huawei to hack network, says report

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Post by IllogicalLogic » Sat, Nov 03, 2018, 9:53 PM UTC

yorwba wrote: post #57

IllogicalLogic wrote: post #50

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NSA would've bugged the building without investing anything in that country. Not quite the same. The original exploiters of Africa are mad that China is investing and building infrastructure on that continent, which will raise historically low prices.

Which prices will it raise? I'd expect the investment to lower prices for various raw materials China wants (because why would they invest to pay more in the end?) and consequently it would also lower prices for goods manufactured in China from those materials.

China entering the African market will raise the prices that domestic producers can sell products at, due to increased demand for resources in limited supply.

In the end, more money will be made by the people who actually live and work there, not the international arbitraguers (if no shenanigans are added to the process).

Re: China used Huawei to hack network, says report

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Post by IllogicalLogic » Sat, Nov 03, 2018, 9:56 PM UTC

onetimemanytime wrote: post #64

IllogicalLogic wrote: post #50

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NSA would've bugged the building without investing anything in that country. Not quite the same. The original exploiters of Africa are mad that China is investing and building infrastructure on that continent, which will raise historically low prices.

They'll regret most Chinese investments, there's already a major backlash against the Chinese style "investment." You think China is doing this for Africa's good? China is enslaving them with a signature. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-07-10/china-... http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2009-08/05/content_853264... NSA, if they haven't bugged them already, they already bought the IT staff with money.…

I expect the Chinese are less exploitative in their investment approach than the Europeans that acted in Africa (slavery and just outright theft was the modus operandi for centuries), yes.

At the end of the day, the roads, high-speed rail, bridges, harbors, etc... the Chinese build can't be removed from the continent even if the individual countries do reneg on debt. This could create the kind of stable environment required to attract both Chinese and non-Chinese investors and talent in the future.

China has 10,000 years of documented history and this is a long game, they don't seem as interested in get rich quick schemes as some other civilizations.

Time will tell.

Re: China used Huawei to hack network, says report

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Post by browsercoin » Sat, Nov 03, 2018, 10:00 PM UTC

raprp wrote: post #6

mabbo wrote: post #4

> Don't think about this in terms of just governments tracking you. Consider if you have any work emails containing company secrets in them. Consider if you have 2FA apps installed that you would use to unlock or change your work password. And since it was almost certainly the Chinese Intel/Military that helps Huawei and other companies, you can be sure that whatever information Huawei gets access to doesn't need to…

Yes. Buy Apple or Google's phones instead. They would never leak customer data for the US government. Oh wait...

if I had to choose between the lesser of the two evils: America vs China

I choose America. At least they don't harvest organs out of dissidents for liking Winnie the Pooh.

You judge a culture by how they treat the bottom rung.

Re: China used Huawei to hack network, says report

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Post by Theodores » Sat, Nov 03, 2018, 10:05 PM UTC

majia wrote: post #7

As revealed by Snowden, US can compel tech companies to help their intel services too. Instead of a total ban based on how friendly we feel towards certain countries, a trust but verified approach should be adopted. Establish comprehensive, robust and transparent security requirements and regulations for foreign tech firms to comply and allow them to compete on a level field. Review source code and hardware design fo…

> As revealed by Snowden, US can compel tech companies to help their intel services too.

Precisely.

People have short memories and don't seem to see the pot calling the kettle black. I expect better on HN. We have hard evidence that GCHQ/NSA have hacked pretty much everything yet far too often people ignore this to jump on the weakest of speculative hearsay to accuse without hard evidence our Chinese and Russian friends of stooping to our GCHQ/NSA levels of evil-wrong-doing.

Is this what they call xenophobia once you get to the facts?