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Try writing left-leaning comments and see how long Voat respects your right to free speech.
So it's basically the opposite of US services, where conservatives are hushed.
Oh you mean like Reddit and T_D? Oh wait...
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Maybe. But then there's a question of where does the content live? Most people don't have a desktop they leave connected all the time, and don't want to be hosting videos and photos off their mobile device. So you're stuck with replicating that data out to all the peers, which means you've just lost control of "your" data again.
The content could live at peers that are online all the time. This could be either your own node or not. If it's not your own node the network has to be designed in a way that the online node does not learn a bit about what it is storing. An example of this would be lake: https://media.ccc.de/v/34c3-8974-practical_mix_network_desig... It's also mentioned on those slides: https://grothoff.org/christian/snt2017.pdf
Sure but hosting content isn't free, so then you have the problem of paying for it. I could imagine a crypto-currency based solution but that is just sooo complicated.
Most of the reason for centralisation is simplification. Have you tried running your own email server lately?
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“where there is no right to free speech“ Yes, there is. At least in my experience as a happy EU citizen. So want to cut the hyperbole and substantiate your claim?
Are you allowed to deny the Holocaust?
Are you allowed to slander in the US? Are you allowed to publish Child pronography? Are you allowed to publish Obscene materials (as judged by the average citizen)? Are you allowed to utter words that might incite someone to fight you? [1] Some of it depends on state law, but the 1st amendment does not protect any of those [1].
Bottom line: No country has absolute freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is one of the basic liberties, and it's balanced against others. Different countries come to different conclusions on the balance. Generally speaking Germany tends more towards Freedom than the US according to comprehensive surveys [2].
Specifically When it comes to denying history, citing the US Supreme Court: "[There is] no constitutional value in false statements of fact".
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exce...
[2] https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-world-2018-table-cou...
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No, most EU countries have laws in some form that prohibit Holocaust denial. But as with any country that has the rights to freedom of speech, these rights are inevitably balanced and restricted by other laws. This is a good thing, because while freedom of speech is important, the general wellbeing of the population and preventing people getting hurt is important as well. It is my belief for example that allowing rac…
I'm aware of this. You may think it's a good thing, and I'm inclined to agree that for a peaceful and civilized society, this balance is definitely a necessity. However, there may be many amongst us who think it's not a good thing. I don't prefer one over another anyway, but just pointing out that absolute free speech isn't a thing anywhere. I suppose the US comes as close to it as possible. This is my regular HN acc…
I disagree, the US has plenty of restrictions on free speech, and the constitutional guarantees are no stronger there than in other places.
It's an image of itself that the US likes to project though.
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The content could live at peers that are online all the time. This could be either your own node or not. If it's not your own node the network has to be designed in a way that the online node does not learn a bit about what it is storing. An example of this would be lake: https://media.ccc.de/v/34c3-8974-practical_mix_network_desig... It's also mentioned on those slides: https://grothoff.org/christian/snt2017.pdf
Sure but hosting content isn't free, so then you have the problem of paying for it. I could imagine a crypto-currency based solution but that is just sooo complicated. Most of the reason for centralisation is simplification. Have you tried running your own email server lately?
I think people wouldn't object to minimal costs of hosting their friends' stuff on the scale of a few hundred friends.
Shoehorning in cryptocurrency just seems absurd.
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“where there is no right to free speech“ Yes, there is. At least in my experience as a happy EU citizen. So want to cut the hyperbole and substantiate your claim?
In greece you are not allowed to criticise the president, nor are you allowed to insult the church. In germany it was illegal (not sure if it still is) to publish games that had nazi imaginary (such as wolfenstein). In the UK and France you are not allowed to produce certain pornographic drawings. To me these restrictions show that in the EU there is no free speech.
>In germany it was illegal (not sure if it still is) to publish games that had nazi imaginary (such as wolfenstein).
Since that comes up from time to time...
In germany games with nazi imagery are as legal as books or movies containing nazi imagery. Legal through the art/science/research/teaching/reporting exception §86 StGB (3) [0]
What has recently changed is that the organization that does the age ratings for games changed its stance. Now they consider the exception rather than treating it as a show stopper.
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The content could live at peers that are online all the time. This could be either your own node or not. If it's not your own node the network has to be designed in a way that the online node does not learn a bit about what it is storing. An example of this would be lake: https://media.ccc.de/v/34c3-8974-practical_mix_network_desig... It's also mentioned on those slides: https://grothoff.org/christian/snt2017.pdf
Sure but hosting content isn't free, so then you have the problem of paying for it. I could imagine a crypto-currency based solution but that is just sooo complicated. Most of the reason for centralisation is simplification. Have you tried running your own email server lately?
Yes, cryptocurrencies was one way. (I don't think that it's really complicated.)
But on the other hand I don't think that it's really expensive. As in have a RasPi lying around at home that's keeping track of everything when you're not online. That should totally suffice for your own needs. If you have bigger needs or want to support the network (maybe even for a small compensation in whatever form) that's easily scaleable. Or think of bittorrent: It's incentivised that you run contribute back what you received. That works totally without compensation in cryptocurrencies.
About the simplification I'm not sure either. Have you tried running Gmail lately? (Not as client but as service ^^ I think that it's not quite straight-forward.) Once you have a proper working p2p network/algorithm/protocol I can imagine that it's easier to run for all parties.
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#88I have some former G+ friends who went to MeWe, some to Mastodon, and some to Twitter. I found Diaspora a pretty poor experience last time I was there, so I'm not really following the group that ended up there
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Sure but hosting content isn't free, so then you have the problem of paying for it. I could imagine a crypto-currency based solution but that is just sooo complicated. Most of the reason for centralisation is simplification. Have you tried running your own email server lately?
Yes, cryptocurrencies was one way. (I don't think that it's really complicated.) But on the other hand I don't think that it's really expensive. As in have a RasPi lying around at home that's keeping track of everything when you're not online. That should totally suffice for your own needs. If you have bigger needs or want to support the network (maybe even for a small compensation in whatever form) that's easily sca…
Asking the average person to install a device in their home to properly utilize a social network might be a non-starter
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Are you allowed to deny the Holocaust?
Sure. UK crackpot David Irving has been denying the holocaust since the 80s. There’s a drama on Netflix about him called Denial
Perhaps you forgot about this?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/feb/20/austria.thefar...