Hawaii Supreme Court Rules in Favor of Building Thirty Meter Telescope

Post by bufferoverflow » Thu, Nov 01, 2018, 8:05 AM UTC

rootoor wrote: post #66

adrr wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

History of Hawaii is all about using force to take land from the population. First settler where from the Marquesas Islands and they were conquered by the Tahitians.

What’s your point? Are you saying that it doesn’t matter that sovergty was taken violently from the Hawaiians because their ancestors conquered the original inhabitants hundreds of years ago? Would it be fair if Russia came in and took Hawaii from the US because the “History of Hawaii is all about using force to take land from the population”?

But how far back in history do you want to go? Why is it that pre-US owners are the real ones and not the pre-pre-US ones?

Post by lutorm » Sat, Nov 03, 2018, 6:55 AM UTC

jlmorton wrote: post #21

kylecordes wrote: post #16

I visited the top of Mauna Kea a couple of months ago, as a tourist. It is a fascinating place, already so populated with telescopes that it is tough to imagine how adding another (likely built more carefully than older ones) could cause grave damage, interference with other uses of the area, etc. On the other hand: some of the telescopes have been there many years and are probably somewhat obsolete by today's standa…

> Perhaps one of the existing structures could have been removed to make room for the TMT, to lessen conflict. TMT project will in fact remove three old telescopes.

The Governor decided that three telescopes would come down. One of these is the tiny UH Hilo education telescope, so it's not really anything like the others. Many people think that this particular telescope, the only one whose purpose is directly aimed at educating the local astronomy students, should not be the one sacrificed on the altar of the TMT, especially since its local impact is practically zero.

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