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Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

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Post by r00fus »

nukleosome wrote: post #54
borkt wrote: post #42

I really can't bring myself to buy a new car but this would be about the most enticing. Even if I were wealthy I would probably still buy used cars (and my hobby is racing so it is not as if I don't appreciate cars).

at high 'racing' speeds, perhaps you should be aware that it doesn't have the best aerodynamics for road-holding (i.e. negative lift or downforce). also many people have reported some vibration issues that couldn't be resolved; https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forums/vibration-high-speeds

Can you kindly recommend a good $40k-ish car that actually generates downforce?

Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

njarboe wrote: post #56
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The $7500 incentive halves this month, it’s too late to get it ATM.

As long as you take delivery before Jan 1, you will get the $7500 federal tax credit. Tesla said you had to order by Oct 15th to guarantee delivery before then.

Yes, that is what they told me.

Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

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Post by njarboe »

ruytlm wrote: post #76
njarboe wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I continue to be baffled why people are baffled that most people prefer not to travel in cramped, enclosed spaces with random strangers and without the option to carry more than what you can hold in your hands. Sometimes people even have more than one small child with them. Is that really so hard to understand? The personal transport vehicle has been desirable from the beginning of time and now (almost) everyone can…

>I continue to be baffled why people are baffled that most people prefer not to travel in cramped, enclosed spaces with random strangers and without the option to carry more than what you can hold in your hands. Transport is typically supply-led. For roads, more roads encourage more drivers, and more drivers congest the system, leading to marginal overall improvement - there are only so many cars that can travel a st…

"More roads encourage more drivers"

Roads allow more people to do what they want to do. If we can eliminate the bad things about individually controlled transport (road noise, inefficient petroleum based power, huge parking lots, etc) why should we not let people have this great thing they desire. Are you anti-democratic?

Driving is not free. It takes time and money for gas and wears out your vehicle. People don't (generally) just drive around for the hell of it, especially at commute times when the roads a most full.

"the people on public transport are not 'random strangers', they are members of your community"

This I think is the main reason some people want public transportation to be mandatory. Somehow being forced to be with other people (who are all on their phones, desperately pretending no one else exists) is a good thing? Standing up for 40 minutes packed, hot, and smelly. Occasionally aggressive beggars; homeless people who stink up the entire train car sleeping; mentally ill people yelling at the ether, etc. Not all the time but at least once a month if you are a commuter. I guess it is a cool experience to have to see how the other half live, but a some point many people don't desire such things.

"backpack"

For the human race to continue, each couple must have greater than 2 children. Try taking 3 children under the age of ten by your self, walking to a bus stop, getting on the bus, getting on BART, walking to the doctors appointment, and then back again. Basically impossible.

Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

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Post by [deleted] »

refurb wrote: post #77
dragontamer wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the cars I plan to buy also don't use gasoline. Ex: Chevy Volt, or the Prius Prime. I dunno, I find it dishonest. Any electric vehicle shopper knows that gasoline is a major cost-driver and reason to buy electric instead. The Chevy Volt is currently $33,520. Then gets a $7500 Federal Credit (and unlike Tesla, Chevy hasn't run out yet. If your Tesla 3 is delivered in January 2019, you only get $3750 in credits). A…

Agreed, it's smarmy. It almost wants me to walk into a Tesla showroom and show them their press release and say "I'll take the $33,200 model. Here is my check." The back pedaling and hand waving would be entertaining.

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Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

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Post by toomuchtodo »

devy wrote: post #12
krrrh wrote: post #2

Just in case anyone is wondering how this plays out pricewise, the base model is $46.2k, but they headline the price as $33.2k: Price $45,000 Incentives: -$7,500 Gasoline savings: -$4,300 Price after savings: $33,200 Destination & doc fee: $1,200 It's rather disappointing that for all the talk from Tesla about disrupting the way people buy cars they maintain nonsense practices like adding on destination and doc fees,…

Totally agree. And their full $7500 (max possible) federal tax rebate just ran out a few days ago.[1] Now it drops to $3,750 (max possible) and orders delivered after June 30 2019 will only receive an $1,875 (max possible) tax credit. [1]: http://fortune.com/2018/10/12/tax-credit-tesla-deadline/

The full $7500 tax credit is applicable on any new, inventory, or demo vehicle previously not registered to someone until December 31st, 2018. You might have to order a Model 3 by a certain date to take delivery before then, but the tax credit is applicable until the end of the year.

Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

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Post by bkanber »

koolba wrote: post #47
dragontamer wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the cars I plan to buy also don't use gasoline. Ex: Chevy Volt, or the Prius Prime. I dunno, I find it dishonest. Any electric vehicle shopper knows that gasoline is a major cost-driver and reason to buy electric instead. The Chevy Volt is currently $33,520. Then gets a $7500 Federal Credit (and unlike Tesla, Chevy hasn't run out yet. If your Tesla 3 is delivered in January 2019, you only get $3750 in credits). A…

What are the ramifications of never changing the gas in a hybrid like the Volt? Does it “go bad” eventually?

Yes, it would! Fuel lasts about 30 days before it starts to oxidize. That basically starts to leave a gunk behind as the gasoline both oxidizes and slowly evaporates from the not-quite airtight tank. The fuel in the injectors evaporate and leave grime behind, clogging them, and this happens in many other places in the engine as well. The process starts after about 30 days, and by a year you're almost guaranteed to have fuel so rotten/sticky that the car doesn't start, or just barely generates power.

The Volt, BMW i3, and basically any other car with a range extender periodically run the engine in "maintenance mode", because it's good to circulate fluids, burn off some gas, and take some load off the battery for a while.

If you need to store a car for more than a month, you should top off and add a bottle of fuel stabilizer before driving home.

Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

r00fus wrote: post #73
Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #72

I just noticed they're now advertising the 0-60 of the performance trim as 3.3 seconds. Only a week or so ago, they were advertising 3.5 seconds. I might have to test drive one soon. My wife is strongly disapproving me getting a Roadster in a few years. If I find that 0-60 in 3.3 seconds is enough, I might settle for a Model 3. EDIT: They also removed the option to purchase full self-driving. Interesting...

3.3 is pretty dang fast. People sometimes complain about how fast my budget EV (hint: not a tesla) accelerates when I drive them around. I test drove a 90D and the acceleration off the line is heart-stopping. And that is listed at 4.7s.

I've been on roller coasters that launch from 0 to 120 mph in 3.8 seconds, which is quicker than a Roadster 2.0. I rode it enough times that even that kind of acceleration no longer felt mind-blowing.

I'm worried that getting a car that does 0-60 in 3.3 would actually feel somewhat underwhelming considering that I'm, I guess "calibrated", for something quicker. Maybe I'd feel different though when I'm in control with the power at my command.

I'll probably test drive a Model 3 next year.

Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

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Post by davidgould »

wemdyjreichert wrote: post #55
RivieraKid wrote: post #38

They've probably exhausted RWD demand backlog so I wouldn't be surprised if this was (initially)a software-limited long range battery, so that they can sell their RWD inventory.

That would be incredibly environmentally irresponsible, considering the impact of mining lithium, cobalt, rare earths etc. You'd basically be wasting limited resources, which would run contrary to Tesla's stated mission of creating a more sustainable future.

Lithium batteries do not use rare earths.

Tesla's specific battery chemistry uses significantly less cobalt than the other common vehicle batteries

Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

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Post by joezydeco »

imladyboy wrote: post #13
FireBeyond wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only in the US would be advertising a sticker price that includes hypothetical "gas savings" be not considered misleading to the consumer. Perhaps if they want to advertise gas savings they should be forced to also add "increased home electricity costs".

They do account for electricity costs in the "gas savings": "The average person drives between 10,000 and 15,000 miles and spends between $1,000 and $1,500 on gasoline per year. In comparison, the cost of electricity to power Model 3 over the same distance is up to three times lower. Over the six year average length of car ownership, that's between $4,300 and $6,400 in gasoline savings. We've assumed a fuel economy o…

What about the cost to have an electrician install the charging system in your garage?

And the Tesla wall unit also costs $500. Is that included in the price of the car?

Re: Model 3 Mid Range Battery Available

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Post by kennysmoothx »

shaftway wrote: post #35

It looks like they've removed the long range single motor option. It used to be - Long range single motor: $49,000 - Long range dual motor: $54,000 - Long range performance: $64,000 Now it's: - Mid range single motor: $45,000 - Long range dual motor: $54,000 - Long range performance: $64,000 So it looks like a savings of $4,000 off the older long range single motor.

The RWD LR model 3 was my go-to and the one I was considering.

With this change, they have now essentially replaced that model with one that has 50 mile less range.

Now the long range version looks so much less appealing as the price is now over $60k($5,000 more for entry LR) for an AWD upgrade I have absolute no use for.

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