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The CumEx-Files – How Europe's taxpayers have been swindled of €55B

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Re: The CumEx-Files – How Europe's taxpayers have been swindled of €55B

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A disclaimer implies there is something to disclaim, such as a financial conflict of interest - what reason for a disclaimer are you imagining? Besides, they literally have a link to a page with detailed financial information, including every organization that gave them more than 1000 EUR to them. Most of their funding in 2017 came from private parties not affiliated with any government. I can't find any numbers for…

The article may for example be intentionally be silent on inefficiency/misbehavior of tax authorities.

Your conspiracy seems rather incompetent if they chose to use their money to silence their critics on some aspects, considering they financed that very investigation in the first place.

Re: The CumEx-Files – How Europe's taxpayers have been swindled of €55B

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Billion means “1000 million” in British English, not “million million” (which is Trillion).

Did they change it?

Yes, many decades ago. The modern “short scale” billion Is found in UK technical documents and papers beginning in the 1950s, and used in official UK statistics since 1974.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billion

Re: The CumEx-Files – How Europe's taxpayers have been swindled of €55B

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The worst thing is that our politicians seems to be mostly inclined to say they are disappointed whenever a new scandal erupts, and then nothing happens. If only they would have been as forceful in response as the new Social Agency scandal (even if 15+ years too late), when it came to the Tax Agency. Then again, since it seems like most voters don't really give a damn, I guess it's politically expedient to just not c…

If your politicians are anything like mine, chances are they’re exploiting the system themselves.

In this case it's less politicians exploiting the system themselves and more due to both sides of parliament having been part of the process. If either side criticized the other it would come right back to them.

Re: The CumEx-Files – How Europe's taxpayers have been swindled of €55B

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correctiv.org is producing phantastic investigative journalism on a regular basis. one of their most important revelations recently was about a pharmacist who was selling heavily diluted cytostatic agents for chemo therapy. several people died because of this [1]. really awesome about correctiv is that they not just release their findings - they really make sure that something is going to be done about it. for exampl…

While I echo your appraisal, they have a hard time not to come across as biased. for instance: - In the article you've linked, I'm sure there were better images of a conservative politician to choose from. Small thing, but not for professional journalists - In the CumEx-article, what information do I gain, when they state that one of the perpetrator's lawyers is a famous face of the German pro-market party FDP - othe…

There is no such thing as an unbiased press; the choice of what to report and what counts as "news" is inherently an opinion. It is also ridiculous to pretend that there isn't a substantial rightwing bias in a large number of media organisations, through their funding, ownership, and clickbait willingness to support manufactured "controversies" that harm real people.

A latest example: https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/16/washington-post-lo... "Washington Post told lobbyist: Quit working for Saudis or stop writing for us". Admittedly that's in the "opinion" section, but the line between the two is very thin.

Given this the only thing you can do is find reporting that does a reasonable job of finding the answers, is consistent with your own values, and doesn't have to issue too many retractions for obviously stupid things they got suckered/biased into printing.

The choice between "holding power to account" versus "supporting the existing power structure and its prejudices" is both a key partisan divider and the only reason for press to claim a public interest defence in the first place.

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”Tax payers have lost up to €2 billion, that’s nearly €350,000 for every Danish man, woman and child.” You sure about that math, cumex-files?

The quote in the English text is: "In Denmark, journalists and the authorities are also investigating the cum-ex trades. Tax payers have lost up to €2 billion * , that’s nearly €350 for every Danish man, woman and child." That's correct - mathwise. *: https://translate.google.com/#en/de/billion

Yes, looks like they have now corrected the article.

Re: The CumEx-Files – How Europe's taxpayers have been swindled of €55B

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This article is very hard to follow to figure out what has actually happened or what CumEx is.

In the beginning of the article is a rough description of the trade in question:

> Cum-ex – this is the name German media have given to this scam. Internationally the different variants of these trades are known as dividend arbitrage.

> Cum-ex and its variant cum-cum were highly complex share deals with no economic purpose other than to receive tax ‘reimbursements’ from the state – but for tax that had never in fact been paid. This is how it went. The participants would lend each other shares of major corporations, creating the appearance for the tax authorities that there were two owners of the shares when in fact there was only one. The bank which settled the trades would then issue a ‘confirmation’ to the investor that tax on dividend payment had been paid to the tax office – when in fact it had not. With this confirmation in hand, the investors were then ‘reimbursed’ by the state. It’s a bit like parents claiming child benefit for two – or more – children when there is only one child in the family.

Late in the article we get a description of the origin of the trade:

> The money machine

> According to Frey, an equity trader at a US investment bank came across the trade accidentally. He had bought shares that were delivered four days later. This interval covered the dividend payment day of the company whose shares he had purchased. This profit is taxed in the domicile of the company (say, Germany). German shareholders can ask for this tax to be reimbursed because they have already paid corporation tax.

> The trader suddenly realised he had this tax payable in his book without actually owning the shares. The amount was £50 million. It was a very large trade.

> The trader wanted to get rid of these funds that were not his. He approached the seller of the shares who had also been reimbursed his tax. The bank’s legal department sought professional tax advice to find out how to return the money to the tax office. The answer came back: “You can keep it.”

> There is no law that prohibits a multiple tax payout, they said. And if something is not explicitly prohibited, it is legal, the tax advisors argued. The trader kept the money. And because the tax reimbursement happened automatically, the scheme could be repeated time and again.

> All you needed was enough funds to trade the shares for a few days around dividend payment date. Or you could even just borrow the shares.

Following "dividend arbitrage", there are a couple of other articles that talk about it, Bloomberg [1] and ProPublica [2], though it's hard to tell if they're talking about the same thing or an older version of the scheme. In Denmark, where there is the most evidence of reimbursement for unpaid taxes, it looks like the investigations date to 2015 [3].

[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-18/denmark-t...

[2] https://www.propublica.org/article/denmark-is-big-victim-of-...

[3] https://www.thelocal.dk/20150925/danish-tax-authority-cleans...

Re: The CumEx-Files – How Europe's taxpayers have been swindled of €55B

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While I echo your appraisal, they have a hard time not to come across as biased. for instance: - In the article you've linked, I'm sure there were better images of a conservative politician to choose from. Small thing, but not for professional journalists - In the CumEx-article, what information do I gain, when they state that one of the perpetrator's lawyers is a famous face of the German pro-market party FDP - othe…

Agreed. I understand everybody's got biases, and that many in media lean left. But doing pretty stuff like that, clearly intended to score a few cheap points, might turn many people off some truly high-quality content.

Agreed, but it goes even further, as it open up attack surface for the other side to discredit a story, and more importantly, the story teller, tainting all future stories. I understand that media writes for their readers, but I think it's a lesson one has to learn to actually affect change and convince the other side.

Re: The CumEx-Files – How Europe's taxpayers have been swindled of €55B

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I echo your appraisal, they have a hard time not to come across as biased. for instance: - In the article you've linked, I'm sure there were better images of a conservative politician to choose from. Small thing, but not for professional journalists - In the CumEx-article, what information do I gain, when they state that one of the perpetrator's lawyers is a famous face of the German pro-market party FDP - othe…

There is no such thing as an unbiased press; the choice of what to report and what counts as "news" is inherently an opinion. It is also ridiculous to pretend that there isn't a substantial rightwing bias in a large number of media organisations, through their funding, ownership, and clickbait willingness to support manufactured "controversies" that harm real people. A latest example: https://www.politico.com/story/2…

> Given this the only thing you can do is find reporting that does a reasonable job of finding the answers, is consistent with your own values, and doesn't have to issue too many retractions for obviously stupid things they got suckered/biased into printing.

Alternatively, you can just read multiple news sources (ideally some from other countries as well) and compare them on their coverage of the same event. It's pretty enlightening to see what each source covers and what is their take on it.

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