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Tesla deploys massive new Autopilot neural net in v9

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Re: Tesla deploys massive new Autopilot neural net in v9

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They aren't assuming. If you aren't radiating and measuring the return, you're at a massive disadvantage in terms of your sensor package. It's s bit like trusting a computer to drive at 70 mph on a pitch black stretch of highway it has never seem before. Enjoy overdriving your headlights and hitting a deer or something else. Tesla is cutting corners by eschewing a well-known technology that will increase the fidelity…

Its only irresponsible if they actually sell anything that doesn't work. So far what the offer is fine for what it is. People who don't want to wait can get their money back at any time.

If you define working as "encouraging drivers to drive in a more disengaged state, while at the same time adding additional sources of hazard or malfunction for both the disengaged driver, and other motorists to be alert for", then I got nothing that'll seemingly convince you, as it appears we'd be arguing right past each other.

Do. No. Harm. It isn't just for Doctors. You can't sit on the positivist side of the fence and say, "Bah, it'll never happen."

It always does. When the cost is lives, you don't mess around or skimp. Closer to Perfection over pretty good is 100% justifiable in safety critical applications. In many cases, critical systems are redundantly reinforced.

Look up risk compensation to understand why a half-baked solution is almost guaranteed to be worse. If you are still relying on the human to compensate for failures in a system in an environment where response time to live is measured in seconds, you might as well just have them being alert and engaged at all times with as few things to have to compensate for malfunctioning as possible.

Another somewhat tangential demonstration of this is observable in nuclear reactor design, and utilising delayed fission product neutrons to attain criticality. This slows down the timescale over which things can go horribly wrong to the scale of minutes instead of seconds that would make avoiding prompt criticality highly problematic.

Re: Tesla deploys massive new Autopilot neural net in v9

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How can that be? You can remotely update the system that does autopilot, and autopilot must have control over throttle/brake/steering. Even shutting off the lights or disabling the wipers can create big problems.

Systems are built in isolation, communication between them is encrypted. Disabling wipers or turning off the lights will kill us now? Not forgetting this hasn't happened, hasn't been proved to be possible and is all a theory. Theories are fine but acting as if tesla is activity ignoring this is funny.

Systems being isolated and containing encrypted communication does not mean that there are no vulnerabilities. Otherwise, TLS would be all that’s needed to secure a website.

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You need to look at why humans have accidents then. Hint: it’s not due to the sensor package being used.

> Hint: it’s not due to the sensor package being used. But it is. The package is pretty limited, and the firmware running it is full of hacks that compensate. Hiding the blind spot, saccade masking, not paying attention to stationary things...

The vast majority of accidents are due to distracted driving. The millions of humans successfully operating a car more or less prove that the problem isn't our sensors. Alternative sensors may help, but marginally.

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Eagles can see 4-8x further than humans can and many varieties of birds can see in additional spectrums to ours. And of course SONAR exists in whales, dolphins etc which is a corollary.

And yet here we are with limited spectrum stereo vision, at the top of the evolutionary ladder.

There is no such thing as "the top of the evolutionary ladder." There is well fit to an environment and not well fit. To say "top of the ladder" implies that evolution encodes the concept of "progress". It does not. This notion of "top of the ladder" has been used to promote all sorts of pseudo-scientific racism and used to justify all sorts of bad conduct up to and including genocide.

I'm not accusing you of any of this, just pointing out that a seemingly innocuous, almost cliched term like "evolutionary ladder" can carry a lot of unwelcome baggage.

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