does google have a choice when authorities come knocking down? Maybe they should encrypt the data in such a way that only the user can decrypt it. We need to think about privacy as a design requirement and not something that is optional. Companies wouldn't do it because that is the only way they can monetize thier profit seeking craze.
Smart Home Surveillance: Governments Tell Google's Nest Hand Over Data
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#82does google have a choice when authorities come knocking down? Maybe they should encrypt the data in such a way that only the user can decrypt it. We need to think about privacy as a design requirement and not something that is optional. Companies wouldn't do it because that is the only way they can monetize thier profit seeking craze.
Reading the above comments, it seems that companies don't have much say when the government comes knocking.. Which is precisely why I think privacy should be a requirement and not an option in the design stage. The company heading towards that right now with the most advancements in technology is Snips. Data is stored on the device primarily. To help with AI(As an option), your data will be encrypted and sent to the developer along with all the data from other users as a whole big data(Data generating).
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#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
We tend to view this as a technology problem. The real question: Why do we let governments get away with this kind of behavior? Fighting a technology arms race with the government is a losing battle. They can ask for private keys to be handed over - on threat of jail time if you don't comply. We need to start at the ballot box.
It is a technology problem. Technology created the centralisation that makes the target so juicy, and courts treat stuff entrusted to third parties with less care than stuff you keep in your mind. The closer the storage is to you, the bigger a hurdle the government needs to jump to access it. Closer tech is more private tech. It's also much more expensive to snoop on. The ballot box approach will last exactly as long…
I agree we should be divesting from centralized data management for the reasons you stated.
The parent poster also had a good point, though. If the public is going to bend over at every crisis and lose rights, how long until residential customers can only hook approved walled-garden devices up to the internet, with no true privacy respecting tools permitted in their app stores?
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#84It's interesting how many hardware and software services are "in the cloud" now. For example Slack monitors the conversations of thousands of businesses, and there's no telling what they do with the data behind the scenes.
How do you know that they’re actually monitoring conversations? Is there nothing in the TOS saying that they won’t view your actual conversations?
Hopefully they are trustworthy, but there is no way to really certify they are not monitoring conversations. And even if the company as a whole does not, that does not negate the risk of the insider threat, which is the source of many of the huge data breaches these days. At least in the government classified systems have to go through a rigorous accreditation, regular audits, contain all sorts of logging, and there is some modicum of external oversight by congress. As consumers, we have zero visibility into Slack. I really don't understand why using Slack is not perceived as a risk.
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#85Reading the article, wtf is a rap crew? And why do half of these sentences not make sense? Back in my day, journalism in forbes was still shitty but at least with coherent sentences. edit: A link in the article does inform me of 'rap crew' "O n a June day last year, a skinny, dreadlocked 29-year-old rapper known as Tony Da Boss lay in bed in a redbrick apartment on a tree-lined street in Charlotte, North Carolina. It…
Old man yells at cloud....
'Rap crew' seems pretty self explanatory in 2018
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#86I was recently looking for some security cameras for my house. I was considering Nest, but the fact that they are owned by Google makes me a bit weary, privacy-wise. Does anyone have experience with other brands that you might recommend?
Ubiquiti's cameras are rock solid, both in terms of hardware and software. And if you don't like their software, the cameras provide a raw RTSP feed you can integrate with other open source alternatives. They're not too hard to hack on (official API docs are lacking but their forums are quite vibrant); I've integrated mine with my OpenHab control/display. I've got a couple cameras that have been running outdoors for…
This post is late, but I definitely do not recommend Ubiquiti cameras following their decision to go back on their promise (and previous company focus) of having end user flexibility and instead tying their UniFi Protect offering exclusively to their own proprietary cloud key. They made it worse by having a marketer PR guy come in to a thread of the community offering concerns and spouting a bunch of transparently garbage excuses. UniFi Video is basically in maintenance mode at this point and will probably be EOL'd soon, Protect was what everyone was expecting (and has mostly been positioned as) the successor. And nobody objects to the existence of support in "Cloud Keys" (Ubiquiti's own little all in one computer/controller offering, think like a POE raspberry pi type deal) of course.
But making something like this exclusive to CKs is a new and extremely unwelcome thing for them, and should be a real red flag even if it's not tied to the cloud.
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#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've been using Wyze cameras. They're notable for being very inexpensive but still including high quality cameras. The tech in home security cameras is basically a lens and a cable, usually some software with questionable UI. I'm really skeptical of companies that manage to take that commodity hardware and ask for hundreds of dollars. It's also a field that's still iterating pretty rapidly, so tech that's priced at n…
How is Wyze's compatibility? I was looking at the hardware however I couldn't determine if I could connect it to my NAS. It looks as if ONVIF support isn't high on their priority list (see recent Reddit AMA)
It's non-existent. If you consider them disposable cameras with local storage and minimal functionality, they're great for the price.
Wyzecam is considering adding 'RTSP' protocol to allow other devices to retrieve the video stream. Doubtful that it will be implemented as it directly impacts their business model.
From WyzeCam subreddit: "We want to create an ecosystem of products that work through our app. If people stop using our app, what are we providing (given that we don't make the hardware ourselves)? We don't have a specific plan for subscriptions at this point but we are considering it so that we could provide cloud storage options beyond our baseline.
We might enable RTSP (still working on deciding that). We also may add features to our app that would reduce the need for RTSP by making things work through the app itself. It's a bit up in the air right now."
[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/wyzecam/comments/973bv8/wyze_cam_fe...