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Teach Yourself to Echolocate: A beginner’s guide to navigating with sound

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The sad thing for me is that a lot of those strange, eclectic sites are still there, only they became really hard to find. Thanks to Google and other search engines prioritising recency and Brands (with a capital) in all results, the eclectic is penalised to the point of near invisibility. There was never a point to them, but they were hugely interesting. Today there's no point bothering as it would be gone forever a…

Which are your favorites?

not OP but this is what i thought of instantly:

http://margo.student.utwente.nl/el/microwave/

and this page in particular:

http://margo.student.utwente.nl/el/microwave/mladen_story.ht...

Re: Teach Yourself to Echolocate: A beginner’s guide to navigating with sound

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Well said. For me the 90s and early 2000s internet was completely magical. My fondest memories of my teens was finally having a computer in my room and the freedom to stay up late and explore the online universe. I met a lot of people and saw the advent of a lot of new things. I wonder if that's going to happen for my kids. Today's internet feels so highly commercialized. All the new exciting discoveries are in the f…

> I wonder if that's going to happen for my kids. I've got a four month old. By the time she's in third or fourth grade, I expect that VR will give her the same kinds of experiences that I had with the web at that age. What made the web exciting wasn't just the fact that it was run by amateurs, it was the fact that there was just an enormous amount of possibility waiting to be explored where we genuinely didn't know…

is this a serious comment?

i am not that old and not that young, and VR has been "around the corner" for 10 to 15 years already. even with all the hype and the amount of people that have been feverishly working on it, there's basically nothing to show for it. it will come eventually, but not in any useful form anytime soon.

what does moore's law have to do with ease of programming?

blockchain has no relevance to the common person.

Re: Teach Yourself to Echolocate: A beginner’s guide to navigating with sound

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Which are your favorites?

I like this page, on creating 3d 'holograms' by hand: http://amasci.com/amateur/holo1.html

Oh man, amasci.com was one of my favorite Magical Internet Places back in the day; I can't believe I'd totally forgotten about it.

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This article reminds me of how it felt to be on the internet as a child. It seemed like this magical place where around every corner there was hidden an alchemic recipe to achieve something magical, if only you knew how to search in the right places.

Well said. For me the 90s and early 2000s internet was completely magical. My fondest memories of my teens was finally having a computer in my room and the freedom to stay up late and explore the online universe. I met a lot of people and saw the advent of a lot of new things. I wonder if that's going to happen for my kids. Today's internet feels so highly commercialized. All the new exciting discoveries are in the f…

I think you're totally right that it feels like that wonderful old Web, the one that felt like a magical place, a weird place, seems to have vanished.

For me, some of that's moved on to YouTube. Even today, I find channels full of crazy stuff, brilliant stuff, beautiful stuff, educational stuff, stuff I'd never even heard before, just randomly stumbling around. It's hard to find them, what with the suggestions throwing only the lowest-common-denominator version of the stuff I get baited into clicking on, but sometimes I manage to run across it.

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> I wonder if that's going to happen for my kids. I've got a four month old. By the time she's in third or fourth grade, I expect that VR will give her the same kinds of experiences that I had with the web at that age. What made the web exciting wasn't just the fact that it was run by amateurs, it was the fact that there was just an enormous amount of possibility waiting to be explored where we genuinely didn't know…

is this a serious comment? i am not that old and not that young, and VR has been "around the corner" for 10 to 15 years already. even with all the hype and the amount of people that have been feverishly working on it, there's basically nothing to show for it. it will come eventually, but not in any useful form anytime soon. what does moore's law have to do with ease of programming? blockchain has no relevance to the…

>is this a serious comment?

Is this a serious comment? VR isn't around the corner, it's here. I'm sitting in my living room right now looking at the vive lighthouses on the wall, and my wife and I frequently use VR for all sorts of things.

Re: Teach Yourself to Echolocate: A beginner’s guide to navigating with sound

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My technique is caveman compared to the article, but I habitually roll down the windows before I back out of a parking spot, so I can listen for as well as look for anything that might be in the way. I think I started this after our son was born, born of an increasing mindfulness of kids and their associates (balls, toys, pets.)

Very good point! I happen to roll down windows every time I start up my car for another reason (the air trapped inside the car while it's parked, probably under sunshine, doesn't feel great to breathe in), but you're totally right that the sound gives a lot more clues than just seeing, when backing out of a spot.

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For anyone wanting to see a master example of echolocation see this short video: https://youtu.be/TeFRkAYb1uk

This is incredible. Know if any research that’s booked farther in here?

I recommend this excellent podcast on the same topic https://www.thisamericanlife.org/544/batman

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I like this page, on creating 3d 'holograms' by hand: http://amasci.com/amateur/holo1.html

Oh man, amasci.com was one of my favorite Magical Internet Places back in the day; I can't believe I'd totally forgotten about it.

"the time for jacking around with Tesla coils and ball lightning in the garage is over." -Abe, PRIMER

Few additions http://amasci.com/news.html The Trafficwaves article made the WSJ, even with video. And Crown Flash (leaping sundogs) is now all over the place (see my upcoming bit on TV show Strange Evidence.) Magnetic analogy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH-CAhtXBfQ

Fortunately (unfortunately?) I only posted examples of my somewhat-kid-friendly magic. Nobody died in microwave oven accidents. That plus a couple of minor inventions (made public as a test to see how fast the idea-thieves would pounce on them.) None of my frightening demos using vacuum pumps and Spellman supplies. Well, I guess I did write about our hypergun which fired a small plastic slug through a clay block twelve inches thick (a spinoff of the very first quarter-shrinker capacitor bank,) and no little kids yet tried building one: http://amasci.com/amateur/capexpt.html#shrink

An unexamined backwater is at http://amasci.com/weird/wtext.html

I still haven't tried out the giant version of Lord Armstrong's water-bridge, from an eyewitness report where a liquid "snake" several feet thick was extending itself thousands of feet across desert land during a thunderstorm. If such things are possible, then an HV supply of a few hundred watts and a couple hundred kilovolts should produce something similar (the recent water-bridge experiments use 10 to 20KV supplies at under ten watts, a 2cm bridge, a mm or two in diameter.) Rainwater or ddw on very clean sand? Needs a big Cockroft-Walton diode stack http://amasci.com/freenrg/wasser.html

And the infamous invisible wall at the 3M factory, recently someone claims to have seen an example caused by electrodes connected to a reversed pole-pig transformer, where coins would bounce off the empty space. This is silghtly conceivable: a corona in air may develop a stable annular double-layer with a significant space-charge and pressure-gradient of air. But would a metal object bounce off? Or just short it out? Plasmas do tend to avoid cold bulk metal surfaces (Tesla managed to make an opaque "neon sign" with a metal tube rather than glass, but skeptics refused to believe it was real. The plasma in near-vacuum can travel many inches through thin metal tubes without leaping to the metal! Try it, it's really weird: pipes full of glowing "electricity" rather than water.)

Speaking of PRIMER, did they actually base the plot on meissner maglev "null coils," placed in a circle rather than parallel rows? Then, put it all inside a "One Atmosphere Plasma Globe" full of argon? But then, where do platinum catalytic converters figure in that? Or maybe they were just huddling inside a styrofoam version of the USS Eldridge hull, covered with active magnetic shielding coils, but not turning invisible.

:)

Re: Teach Yourself to Echolocate: A beginner’s guide to navigating with sound

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I remembering learning about this boy in high school. In the posted article, he suggests that non-blind humans can simulate the handicap by wearing a blindfold. For someone who isn't blind, learning how to do this is very difficult. This is the kind of skill that rewires your brain and comes out of necessity rather than desire. By actually being blind, you get 10,000 hours of practice in around two years. Even if you…

Have you ever tried? I find the article's description a bit too advanced for a first try. I have personally had success finding walls or large furniture after only a couple minutes of very slowly walking around a room and clicking my tongue (higher pitched) with my eyes closed. True, I probably won't ever be able to ride a bike, but it's sufficient to quickly test out basic echolocation. I have done many trials with…

Agreed. I taught myself basic echo location several months back after reading about Daniel Kish and being curious.

It doesn't need any external equipment to get the basics. To start out simply, just close your eyes in a (very) dark room and get the hang of the different sounds when a wall is close in front of you (couple inches) vs not.

Once you can clearly detect that difference, start extending from there. It definitely works ok.

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Do loud noises or loud music interfere with it?

I would imagine it does, but I'm also curious how quiet it had to be for this to work.

It definitely does. I've practiced this a little myself and in louder environments you need a louder click. On the other hand, ambient noise can give rich information about close obstacles without yourself or that object needing to actively make any noise.
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