Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not an 'unsubstantive' comment. There is a very large section of users who are ardent believers in the 'Gell-Mann amnesia' effect. There are also seemingly many, many users, as the one I'm replying to and many who've posted similar, highly voted comments on this thread whose explanation for the discrepancies between the reporting on this story and the company responses amount to (in my view) to MiB but with diff…
This is a rare instance where I agree that 'dang has jumped the gun. I don't see how your comment is insubstantial either, and I think HN's weird relationship with the news media is worthy of comment. No reasonable person reads the comment above to mean "literally everyone on HN has inconsistent beliefs about the press".
UK cyber security agency backs Apple, Amazon China hack denials
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Re: UK cyber security agency backs Apple, Amazon China hack denials
#82“We are aware of the media reports but at this stage have no reason to doubt the detailed assessments made by AWS and Apple,” This is a pretty mild statement, would not say it backs Apple and Amazon.
It's not the UK's job to back Apple and Amazon. "We have no reason to doubt" is not a weasel statement. "At this stage" is a weasel statement, but only in the sense that it means "We haven't investigated this or seen any evidence ourselves, and until we do we'll go with the line taken by Apple and AWS." This can be taken as meaning "The US has given us details and asked us to deny them" - which makes no sense, IMO. O…
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#83I heard this on NPR [1] and thought it was interesting and hadn't seen it in these articles on HN: > When [Bloomberg] asked China's foreign ministry for a response, a lot of times they'll say things like, you're crazy; we know nothing about this. Their response was a little more nuanced and contextual in the environment we're in now. Basically they said, we are a victim of these kinds of attacks, too. And, you know,…
Are you saying the NSA bribed manufacturers in China to add these to boards - so Americans would discover then and accuse the Chinese government of espionage? Is this the stick to the tariff's carrot? Remember, astronauts couldn't have met aliens on the moon, if the moon landings were faked.
Now that's a debate I'd pay to watch.
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#84Re: UK cyber security agency backs Apple, Amazon China hack denials
#85I heard this on NPR [1] and thought it was interesting and hadn't seen it in these articles on HN: > When [Bloomberg] asked China's foreign ministry for a response, a lot of times they'll say things like, you're crazy; we know nothing about this. Their response was a little more nuanced and contextual in the environment we're in now. Basically they said, we are a victim of these kinds of attacks, too. And, you know,…
Are you saying the NSA bribed manufacturers in China to add these to boards - so Americans would discover then and accuse the Chinese government of espionage? Is this the stick to the tariff's carrot? Remember, astronauts couldn't have met aliens on the moon, if the moon landings were faked.
Yes, you can actually buy the similar looking chip on Taobao.com by searching HHM1523C1[0] or HHM1526[1]. Some vendors even claims the chips they're selling are "Imported, 100% legit".
And, of course there can be another interpretation: We (China) bugged your server, because you (the U.S.) bugged ours first.
The water is so muddy right now, maybe wait for more information?
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#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you saying the NSA bribed manufacturers in China to add these to boards - so Americans would discover then and accuse the Chinese government of espionage? Is this the stick to the tariff's carrot? Remember, astronauts couldn't have met aliens on the moon, if the moon landings were faked.
> Remember, astronauts couldn't have met aliens on the moon, if the moon landings were faked. Now that's a debate I'd pay to watch.
Re: UK cyber security agency backs Apple, Amazon China hack denials
#87I heard this on NPR [1] and thought it was interesting and hadn't seen it in these articles on HN: > When [Bloomberg] asked China's foreign ministry for a response, a lot of times they'll say things like, you're crazy; we know nothing about this. Their response was a little more nuanced and contextual in the environment we're in now. Basically they said, we are a victim of these kinds of attacks, too. And, you know,…
Are you saying the NSA bribed manufacturers in China to add these to boards - so Americans would discover then and accuse the Chinese government of espionage? Is this the stick to the tariff's carrot? Remember, astronauts couldn't have met aliens on the moon, if the moon landings were faked.
I didn't bring up trade wars at all, I don't think it's necessarily related (this kind of tradecraft was likely in the works for much longer than recent trade disputes).
So plain old espionage, executed for whatever the needs of the day might be.
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#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a rare instance where I agree that 'dang has jumped the gun. I don't see how your comment is insubstantial either, and I think HN's weird relationship with the news media is worthy of comment. No reasonable person reads the comment above to mean "literally everyone on HN has inconsistent beliefs about the press".
Thanks, now I'm regretting not going with the pithier 'ur mom has 5M monthly users' a little less.
That puts those of us in the 1% in a terrible position. It's difficult to even figure out whether you did something wrong. And if you conclude that – against the odds – you seem to be innocent, what do you do?
Dan has also given the impression that the community stands by his decisions. This is often not true, but he uses software tricks to make it appear true. As an example, he often flags comments manually, which immediately and unconditionally kills them and marks them as [flagged]. You can tell he does this, because it says [flagged] rather than [flagged] [dead]. I have been quietly gathering evidence for some time now: https://imgur.com/a/2GwVibp
The worst part is, all attempts at trying to discuss the situation are ruthlessly rejected. And since you're bucketed into the same category as some very unsavory people, no one who cares will side with you. And all the rest don't care.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18153219 Not 30 minutes ago, I tried – for the dozenth time – to extend an olive branch and agree to focus on the site's goal of gratifying intellectual curiosity. It was immediately rejected.
As someone who is trying to write a book on Lisp, this must be the ultimate proof that the site is no longer about attracting bookish people. That may have been the original aim, but HN is now intended to be an entertainment site. If your comments do not entertain, expect to be hit. Hard. And the surest way to not entertain is to comment about social issues.
Dan also likes to frame his moderation decisions as reasonable, and will go to great lengths to make them seem that way. For example, all of my accounts were banned two weeks ago, for three months. Dan called this a "probation", which is precisely the opposite of what probation is. He also said that it was possible to continue using HN, since there is a fine vouching system that will grab the good comments.
Very few people read dead comments. I know. I've measured. Effectively, if you're hellbanned, you're screwed. But you turn out to be screwed for a subtle but important reason: It's impossible to post more than two comments every 5 hours. This is a sharp increase from the old limit of five comments every three hours. And if you have made any comment within the last 5 hours, you cannot submit anything. Any attempt to do so will be met with "You're posting too fast. Please slow down. Thanks."
HN also uses many tricks that make it appear the community is against you, when in fact it is the software. For example, I am reasonably certain that there exists a setting which will automatically downvote your comments in certain circumstances. Such a setting has the uncomfortable effect that it is completely impossible to present any evidence of it without appearing to be completely unhinged.
All of this is to say:
Thanks, now I'm regretting not going with the pithier 'ur mom has 5M monthly users' a little less.
Please don't regret having original thoughts. HN is in the terrible position of having so much inertia that it no longer matters whether a moderator is behaving badly, or whether he is using software tricks to make it seem like the community is on his side. And since he is the de facto leader of HN, there is much to gain by being on his side, and much to lose by speaking out.
And again, 99% of his decisions are correct. But when he makes 100 decisions a day, there are a growing number who are the recipient of harsh actions with no recourse. Any attempt at pointing this out is quickly and immediately silenced, and used as evidence that you deserve to be silenced.
-- sillysaurus3, palish, shawn. The condemned. Proudly an HN community member for 11 years. I miss you guys.
Re: UK cyber security agency backs Apple, Amazon China hack denials
#89Coincidence? Yeah probably, and very tin-foil hat, but who knows?
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#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a rare instance where I agree that 'dang has jumped the gun. I don't see how your comment is insubstantial either, and I think HN's weird relationship with the news media is worthy of comment. No reasonable person reads the comment above to mean "literally everyone on HN has inconsistent beliefs about the press".
Thanks, now I'm regretting not going with the pithier 'ur mom has 5M monthly users' a little less.
(For example, this one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18076424 I'm not saying it was a good comment, just that the mods do have that power and that they do exercise it, further giving the appearance that the community is on their side.)
EDIT: Note that I tried to edit my comment below (posted as shawn), but a side effect of making a comment unvouchable is that it becomes un-editable. My edit was dropped. Here it is:
To recap my points for anyone who is listening:
- Many comments that are [flagged] are not in fact flagged by the community, but manually, by Dan.
- When you are banned, it is no longer possible to use HN: All of your comments start at the very bottom, and very few people know what `showdead` even is, let alone use it. You cannot submit more than two comments every five hours. And if you have submitted any comment, you cannot submit any stories.
(Obviously, that's the point of a ban, but Dan likes to pretend that the vouch system is in place to catch just such an occurrence. That leads me to my final point:
- Some of the comments that are [dead] are unvouchable. If you try, the software will simply register your vouch but do nothing. This further cements the impression that the community is on their side.
Note how tremendously difficult it is to even let anybody know what is going on, let alone to do anything about it. This is no coincidence; HN has apparently gone to great lengths to ensure that it is just so.
Except, it's not HN doing this. It appears to be one person.