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Waymo self-driving car crashed when driver fell asleep and triggered manual mode

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Re: Waymo self-driving car crashed when driver fell asleep and triggered manual mode

#81

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... as does the person whose house gets knocked down to make room for the new rail line.

Fuck them

Woof. That's one way to do it. The way that'll get you either unelected from whatever municipal elected power position you have or fired from whatever unelected position, but one way.

Re: Waymo self-driving car crashed when driver fell asleep and triggered manual mode

#82

That tester detected a serious bug in the whole concept, inadvertently risking his life during testing. He should've been promoted.

The placement of the gas pedal does seem strange in retrospect if we think about people falling asleep in the car. I'd also be worried about people pitching forward in their sleep and banging their head against the steering wheel and activating something they shouldn't.

Re: Waymo self-driving car crashed when driver fell asleep and triggered manual mode

#84
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This is a prototype vehicle. Safety controls must be implemented differently than a production vehicle that has passed some yet unspecified certification process. Complaining about a prototype having different UX than a production vehicle is like complaining about a racing car having different seatbelts than a road car. Different design requirements for different usages.

I'm thinking about actual usage, not the UX.

I'm not sure what distinction you're drawing here.

It's a prototype vehicle, where the self driving features are experimental and not certified by a third party. Extra safety systems are necessary that might not be reasonable once the tech is polished and regulated.

Re: Waymo self-driving car crashed when driver fell asleep and triggered manual mode

#85
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> a serious bug in the whole concept Manual driving mode bell is not loud enough?

Wake up jolt needs to apply 240v to the backside of the driver.

So long as it's milliamps, it should be okay.

Re: Waymo self-driving car crashed when driver fell asleep and triggered manual mode

#86

That tester detected a serious bug in the whole concept, inadvertently risking his life during testing. He should've been promoted.

Agreed, but lets not get ahead of ourselves. The statement is the "Driver no longer works for waymo" not that "they were fired for the incident.". That feels somewhat deliberate choice of words to me.

that’s the standard phrase

Re: Waymo self-driving car crashed when driver fell asleep and triggered manual mode

#87

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Agreed, but lets not get ahead of ourselves. The statement is the "Driver no longer works for waymo" not that "they were fired for the incident.". That feels somewhat deliberate choice of words to me.

clearly picked up by a competing firm for presumably a large salary increase

Headhunted by Casper Mattresses.

Re: Waymo self-driving car crashed when driver fell asleep and triggered manual mode

#88
The dozing driver didn’t respond to any of the vehicle’s warnings, including a bell signaling the car was in manual mode and another audio alert

Even if he did respond, there's still the problem of whether he can respond in time. Driving normally requires sub-second reaction times.

Re: Waymo self-driving car crashed when driver fell asleep and triggered manual mode

#89
And this is why engineers have invented the dead man's switch a long time ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_man%27s_switch

The basic idea is that the switch can only be maintained in a non-braking state by an alert, not-incapacitated person. If you press too hard, it brakes; if you don't press hard enough, it brakes. You have to apply just enough force, and that's something only an alert person can do.

Clearly, using the gas pedal to turn off auto-pilot is not good enough.

By the way, we now have a pilot program in Hong Kong where cameras are installed in buses and use computer vision to detect if a bus driver is dozing off. The system then automatically makes the driver's seat vibrate and sound an alarm to wake the driver up.

Re: Waymo self-driving car crashed when driver fell asleep and triggered manual mode

#90
On 26 Sep. 1982 in 'Knight of the Phoenix' when Michael falls asleep KITT automatically takes over.

Google should have a camera pointing at the driver and use machine learning to detect someone that is asleep or medically impaired and automatically take over if the car starts to leave its lane.

Perhaps the driver could configure where it wants the car to go in such a case (if asleep: continue to final destination; if medical issue: drive to nearest hospital and call "Parent" or "Spouse" on cell phone and explain the situation; if smart watch can detect alcohol in your sweat therefore unconsciousness likely due to intoxication: drive to a trusted friend and call ahead, etc.).

At the very least, if the person appears to be asleep it could ask "Are you sure you want to return to manual control?". It should be able to tell the difference between someone sleeping and someone alert wanting control back.

It's been some decades since fiction inspired us, but we're getting close!

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