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Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by dingoegret »

golergka wrote: post #36
padraic7a wrote: post #3

That's an incredible article. It must have taken some amazing mental gymnastics to talk about the situation in Gaza and Palestine without laying any responsibility at the feet of Israel. Instead the Israeli stance is noted as being the same as Egypt, or the same as the EU. Lets be clear, Israel's behaviour marks it out as an exception internationally. Israel has turned Gaza into an open air prison. Israel's blockade…

> Israel's blockade contrvene's international law. I'm not an expert in international law, but blaming a country for protecting it's citizens from being bombed into oblivion is just nuts. The only thing this "blockade" is intended to do is to stop Hamas from building rockets. Everything that cannot be used to build rockets goes in and out through any crossing every day of the week.

No one is bombing Israel into oblivion. It's not true just because you keep saying it. Palestinians need to defend themselves otherwise Israel will genocide them. How is that wrong?

Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by amitport »

dingoegret wrote: post #79
beagle3 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The mental gymnastics here are required for the other side too, e.g. elections were last held in Gaza in 2006 or so; it's not remotely a democracy or republic, control is maintained by violence, see e.g. [0]. Every side of this conflict is a villain, and depending how far back you want to go, that may include the British, who created war and instability where they pulled out, in Palestine and in India/Pakistan (smart…

Its an open air prison under daily siege from Israel and the first out of your mouth is hurr durr democracy

Seriously, why do people keep ignoring the border with Egypt? They are enforcing a stronger embargo on their border. There are valid reasons for not having an open border with a territory controlled by a terror organization.

Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by amitport »

dingoegret wrote: post #81
golergka wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Israel's blockade contrvene's international law. I'm not an expert in international law, but blaming a country for protecting it's citizens from being bombed into oblivion is just nuts. The only thing this "blockade" is intended to do is to stop Hamas from building rockets. Everything that cannot be used to build rockets goes in and out through any crossing every day of the week.

No one is bombing Israel into oblivion. It's not true just because you keep saying it. Palestinians need to defend themselves otherwise Israel will genocide them. How is that wrong?

You're either very ignorant or very malicious. Israel is not performing any kind of genocide.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history

Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by golemiprague »

FactolSarin wrote: post #70
maratd wrote: post #61

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> Instead the Israeli stance is noted as being the same as Egypt Because it is.

Egypt doesn't control Gaza airspace or ports. Israel does.

Gaza doesn't vow to destroy Egypt and to conquer their country, they do when it comes to Israel. If Gaza recognise Israel and agree to have normal relationship with it nobody will close their airspace or port.

Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by golemiprague »

georgehdd wrote: post #72
golergka wrote: post #36

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> Israel's blockade contrvene's international law. I'm not an expert in international law, but blaming a country for protecting it's citizens from being bombed into oblivion is just nuts. The only thing this "blockade" is intended to do is to stop Hamas from building rockets. Everything that cannot be used to build rockets goes in and out through any crossing every day of the week.

That's factually incorrect. There are things that go in/out of Gaza but in very limited supply. The blockade (why is it in quotes?) was created more than 10 years ago for political reasons as a way to pressure the people of Gaza to turn against Hamas. Ever since, it achieved the exact opposite. To remind you, ~2 million people have been living under this siege since then. Don't fool your self - putting 2 million peop…

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Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by walrus01 »

As a network engineer I would be really interested in learning some real world info about what ISPs are operating in Gaza, what their ASNs and IP space are, where their upstreams are (both network topologically, BGP adjacencies/other larger ASes, and at OSI layer 1).

If there is anyone reading this who is physically located in Gaza and using a local ISP, I could get a lot of info if you just google "what is my IP", go to one of the first few links, and reply with the results. You don't have to send your exact IP, to the /24 level of accuracy is enough.

Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by walrus01 »

Krasnol wrote: post #41
skrebbel wrote: post #35

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I could see myself doing this a few years from now. Does a Gaza stamp in your passport limit someone's entry into other countries? (eg USA)

In Germany you can have a second pass just for that purpose. It costs more though.

Americans, but not Canadians, can also have a second passport if they request it from the state department. Commonly used for people who need to travel to Israel and have Israeli stamps/visas in their passport, but also travel to arab boycott countries for business.

Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by dogma1138 »

dingoegret wrote: post #81
golergka wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Israel's blockade contrvene's international law. I'm not an expert in international law, but blaming a country for protecting it's citizens from being bombed into oblivion is just nuts. The only thing this "blockade" is intended to do is to stop Hamas from building rockets. Everything that cannot be used to build rockets goes in and out through any crossing every day of the week.

No one is bombing Israel into oblivion. It's not true just because you keep saying it. Palestinians need to defend themselves otherwise Israel will genocide them. How is that wrong?

The sum total of 50 years of the Israeli Palestinian conflict since 1967 has resulted in about the same number of casualties on both sides combined as the Mexican drug cartel violence last year alone, if either party is attempting genocide they are executing it very poorly.

Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by dogma1138 »

beagle3 wrote: post #75
cmurf wrote: post #73

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That ignores the conflict is between the one of the world's greatest military powers versus a civilian population, slowly being forced to self-dispossess with zero freedom of movement, makes the situation worse than bantustans. One side is a signatory to the Geneva Conventions, and those conventions clearly make occupation and colonization of occupied land illegal. And this was the plan from the very beginning in the…

Jabotinaky is from one faction, not the ruling one for the first 30 years or so of Israel’s history. Many disagreed with him even back then. After the Oslo accords, for a while, the Palestinian population had prosperity and there was a mutually agreed path forward. There were dissenting voices on both sides. Those in Israel assisinated PM Rabin. Those in the Gazan side elected Hamas democratically (and then lost the…

There was over a 10 year gap between Rabin’s assasination and the election of Hamas and the withrawal from Gaza.

Ironically the largest concessions and the ratification of the Oslo accords were done by Benjamin Netanyahu during his first term in the mid 90׳s and the withdrawal from Gaza was initiated by Ariel Sharon both were ״right wing״ governments.

To me this signifies that under the right conditions even the most hawkish government in Israel can seek peace but at this point I’m not sure which conditions can be met for any one in the Palestinian Authority yet alone Hamas to be willing and able to negotiate in true faith.

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