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Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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Post by blake_himself »

usrusr wrote: post #25

The other really stupid thing, besides generally hurting the adoption of 2FA forever, is that they probably did it for hardly more than scraps, compared to their conventional add targeting capabilities. Maybe I am completely wrong about this, but I'm pretty convinced that almost all of the ad spending for that feature would have reached Facebook's coffers anyways had it not been available.

> An ever increasing craving for an ever diminishing pleasure is the formula. It is more certain; and it's better style. To get the man's soul and give him nothing in return -that is what really gladdens our Father's(0) heart. - C.S. Lewis, senior demon to a junior, 'Screwtape Letters'. (0) Satan

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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Post by pjc50 »

boraturant wrote: post #74

As an FB Marketing API developer, this has been available for several years . The way it works, advertisers can send their phone list to FB for ad targeting. However, phone hashes are sent, not clear ones. Personally, as long as the user has an opt-out and opt-in options, I don’t think ad targeting is necessarily an unethical pattern, the blurring lines of ads and recommendations would be actually a pattern that user…

Advertising destroys reccomendations. Suddenly it's not based on any genuine attempt to work out what the user might like but only what benefits the margins of the advertiser. This is why Google's adverts are in a separate box at the top, un-mingled with the search results.

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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Post by denzil_correa »

hnzix wrote: post #4

The reason I never give fb my mobile is if you use a pseudonym account, it will suggest your profile as a friend to anyone who has your mobile in their phone contact list (eg ex-partners, stalkers, employers, drug dealers). Found that one out the hard way. I know Zuck wants me to preemptively upload my nudes, but still.

> The reason I never give fb my mobile

Here's the issue with it. You might not give it but your friends would. Therefore, this strategy is pretty useless as network effects kick in.

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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Post by denzil_correa »

pndy wrote: post #73
yesenadam wrote: post #40

Lately FB says when I go on there "Add a profile pic so people know who you are". Huh? I've always one.

Ha! I'm being constantly nagged whenever I visit fb (to see if those who can't live anymore without it, didn't want something etc.) to update my details - which I removed long ago; among that, they sometimes "suggest" updating new profile pic, which I haven't change since end of 2014 - when I stopped wasting time there

The worst part about these updates is that you have two options - "Yes" and "Not Now". The "No" option doesn't exist in their dictionary.

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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Post by hjek »

cecja wrote: post #7
jarfil wrote: post #6

Phone numbers were not a secure 2FA anyway, and I've been using the TOTP alternative since it's been available... but I don't really see a problem with them using whatever to show "more relevant ads", if you don't want ads just use an ad blocker.

Can you link me the Ad Blocker for text messages?

If you're running android, it has a word-based spam-filter[0]. But it does look like phone number blocking is a more common solution.

[0]: https://www.quora.com/Which-is-the-best-app-in-Android-for-b...

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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Post by tokyodude »

tanto wrote: post #78
anonytrary wrote: post #11

"Give me as much service as you can while keeping me as far off the grid as possible" is a skill that is sorely lacking in this market. I don't have this problem with weed dealers, but I have this problem with information dealers. Internet companies could seriously learn a thing or two from the black market on how you treat your customers.

Does your weed dealer provide the service for free? If you want to be treated as a $$$ paying customer start paying. Problem with social networks and $$$ is that network effects will not come into effect as not everyone will be willing to pay. There are actually ethical information dealers but they require you to pay them as you are paying your weed dealer.

I'm probably wrong but I feel like there's a market for an ethical advertiser that does no tracking and placed ads by content only. is that impossible? it was reality until the 90s

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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Post by Isn0gud »

tanto wrote: post #78
anonytrary wrote: post #11

"Give me as much service as you can while keeping me as far off the grid as possible" is a skill that is sorely lacking in this market. I don't have this problem with weed dealers, but I have this problem with information dealers. Internet companies could seriously learn a thing or two from the black market on how you treat your customers.

Does your weed dealer provide the service for free? If you want to be treated as a $$$ paying customer start paying. Problem with social networks and $$$ is that network effects will not come into effect as not everyone will be willing to pay. There are actually ethical information dealers but they require you to pay them as you are paying your weed dealer.

I mean, if you give a $$$ option instead of giving up data than you removed the intended targets of most ads out of your advertising pool.

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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Post by hazz99 »

tanto wrote: post #78
anonytrary wrote: post #11

"Give me as much service as you can while keeping me as far off the grid as possible" is a skill that is sorely lacking in this market. I don't have this problem with weed dealers, but I have this problem with information dealers. Internet companies could seriously learn a thing or two from the black market on how you treat your customers.

Does your weed dealer provide the service for free? If you want to be treated as a $$$ paying customer start paying. Problem with social networks and $$$ is that network effects will not come into effect as not everyone will be willing to pay. There are actually ethical information dealers but they require you to pay them as you are paying your weed dealer.

I'm sure it's possible to advertise without tracking. We did it for years.

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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Post by fouric »

tanto wrote: post #78
anonytrary wrote: post #11

"Give me as much service as you can while keeping me as far off the grid as possible" is a skill that is sorely lacking in this market. I don't have this problem with weed dealers, but I have this problem with information dealers. Internet companies could seriously learn a thing or two from the black market on how you treat your customers.

Does your weed dealer provide the service for free? If you want to be treated as a $$$ paying customer start paying. Problem with social networks and $$$ is that network effects will not come into effect as not everyone will be willing to pay. There are actually ethical information dealers but they require you to pay them as you are paying your weed dealer.

Most internet service companies, including Facebook and Google, don't give you the option of paying for privacy even if you wanted to.
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