Police that collect more in fees and fines are less effective at solving crime

Post by kakarot » Tue, Sep 25, 2018, 3:33 PM UTC

chrisseaton wrote: post #77

ransom1538 wrote: post #40

Our local police department (Oviedo florida) takes a police car 200 ft from the station and sits it by a 25mph zone that feeds into a 50 mph zone [1]. Now that my wife and I have both been ticketed (30mph) we go the speed limit -- what is even more weird --- going 25mph near a freeway is really dangerous as cars honk and freak out behind you swerving to get around you. https://www.google.com/maps/place/28%C2%B038'57.…

Everyone's got an excuse for why they were in the right when they got a speeding ticket. And you now admit you drive according to the speed limit having been ticketed? So it seems like what the police force are doing is effective.

Post by itchyouch » Tue, Sep 25, 2018, 3:57 PM UTC

chrisseaton wrote: post #77

ransom1538 wrote: post #40

Our local police department (Oviedo florida) takes a police car 200 ft from the station and sits it by a 25mph zone that feeds into a 50 mph zone [1]. Now that my wife and I have both been ticketed (30mph) we go the speed limit -- what is even more weird --- going 25mph near a freeway is really dangerous as cars honk and freak out behind you swerving to get around you. https://www.google.com/maps/place/28%C2%B038'57.…

Everyone's got an excuse for why they were in the right when they got a speeding ticket. And you now admit you drive according to the speed limit having been ticketed? So it seems like what the police force are doing is effective.

Post by slededit » Tue, Sep 25, 2018, 5:45 PM UTC

Gibbon1 wrote: post #56

merpnderp wrote: post #7

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I was trying to think of a place to stick the money that wouldn't incentivize over-policing and couldn't think of one. But your option is perfect. There's obviously no incentive for government employees to return money to tax payers, so if anything, this would incentivize under-enforcement of fines and fees.

I thought long and hard about that one and decided that fines should be remitted to the social security administration and booked against the perps account as a contribution. As far as I can tell this is extremely easy to implement. And utterly removes any mal-incentives.

Post by maym86 » Tue, Sep 25, 2018, 6:42 PM UTC

Gibbon1 wrote: post #86

maym86 wrote: post #74

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It means the fine could have less of a deterrant effect on anyone who can afford it as they can frame it as money they'll get back in the long run. Why not speed if your ticket counts towards your retirement. Having a inbuilt social good for breaking the law might make people more willing to do so as they can justify their illegal action as a contribution to public good.

You already have the problem that small fines aren't much of a deterrent effect on wealthy people. Though one might be surprised how butthurt well to do people can be over trivial amounts of money. A mitigating thing is monthly SS insurance benefits max out.

Post by maym86 » Tue, Sep 25, 2018, 10:12 PM UTC

Gibbon1 wrote: post #88

maym86 wrote: post #87

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Speed until you max out your social security benefit is a crazy incentive.

You can also max out the points on your license and your insurance companies patience.