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Internet companies need to refuse to serve ISPs who throttle. “Oh we can’t get YouTube google and Netflix on this ISP? We’ll leave for one who does provide them.” Restricting services can cut both ways.
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This kind of throttling is done to squeeze more money from anything crossing their network. All ISPs want a piece of the pie so they will charge at both ends anything coming in and anything going out to you.
That is just how the Internet works. Everyone is selling and buying access to networks. Whether directly or in the form of agreements. And most people are of course trying to get more for less. One could certainly wish that things would be different, but it isn't like they are doing something especially nefarious.
You pay your local delivery company $X per month and they promise that they'll deliver you 1 package a day from their local depot.
But it turns out that although you're ordering a package a day from Amazon, you're not receiving a package a day. You get your stuff, but it's delayed and backed-up somewhere.
And so as an experiment you sign up for a service that will receive a package for you, re-box it in their own packaging and then send it on to you. You then start to receive a package a day again.
At that point you start wondering, are they looking at the boxes, seeing they are from Amazon and then just deciding to leave them sitting around their warehouse for a while?
And the answer is yes, even though you're paying for the service, they also want whoever is sending the package to pay them to ensure that they get their package on time.
So while their may well be all sorts of agreements between all the different parcel companies about who will do what when, it's frustrating as an end-user that there's all these weird agreements that impact me. After all I'm paying for packages to be delivered, not 'packages that are offered by our partners'.
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Then you compensate that person for not being able to provide the service. Just as you'd expect in any other case when a service is not delivered. And if we're being honest, that's not actually the reason most of us get throttled. Most of the time it's not even network management, it's just a money grab. I don't intend to go into the technicalities because they're irrelevant. The point is they should offer a quality…
I'm not trying to justify what they're currently doing either. What I'm trying to explain is that making something that legally works the way we all want it to is a different and much tougher problem than merely being able to imagine a world in which the current practices don't exist.
Is this a joke? While reading an article about how every US cell provider throttles they recommend to choose an ISP that .... doesn't throttle?
The name "Throttling" is an attempt to frame this pejoratively. All ISPs of every type engage in bandwidth shaping / QoS. Its the laws of nature that enforce this (demand always is greater than supply of every resource).
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That is just how the Internet works. Everyone is selling and buying access to networks. Whether directly or in the form of agreements. And most people are of course trying to get more for less. One could certainly wish that things would be different, but it isn't like they are doing something especially nefarious.
Imagine that you have a delivery service. You pay your local delivery company $X per month and they promise that they'll deliver you 1 package a day from their local depot. But it turns out that although you're ordering a package a day from Amazon, you're not receiving a package a day. You get your stuff, but it's delayed and backed-up somewhere. And so as an experiment you sign up for a service that will receive a p…
Imagine being a customer of such a crappy provider who cannot guarantee a minimum or maximum SLA... Thanks but no thanks.
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Yep, there's a reason that's legal under net neutrality laws: - If you need to block streaming video because that's the only way your public WiFi on trains is going to work, iirc you can do that without any legal issues. - If you zero-rate music services as a marketing stunt, go ahead, but then you shall zero-rate all music services. (Still seems annoying, as a music service, to go around the world and apply to every…
i thought the old american NN rules did not allow zero rating
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Netflix blocks virtually all VPS provider IP ranges, so you can’t even host your own VPN to work around it.
I'm really interested to see how they accomplished this. Considering PIA puts up new nodes pretty quickly, and doesn't have one congruent address space, how does Netflix detect PIA or other vpn users?