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YouTube's tendency to push everyday users toward politically extreme content

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Re: YouTube's tendency to push everyday users toward politically extreme content

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The extreme left aren't involved in mass murder at anything like the extent that the extreme right are. When looking at HVE groups the far left appears rarely, those lists are full of either militant Islamist or Far Right groups. The focus on the far right happens because it's the far right that are murdering people.

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Re: YouTube's tendency to push everyday users toward politically extreme content

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The focus of this article is on right-wing extreme content, but I think the tendency is true on both sides. The fact is that partisans are more likely to seek out news content, and partisans are happier with content that matches their prior viewpoint. And so the extreme content rises in popularity and is presented as the recommended option to the less partisan. It's a worthwhile question as to whether this is a flaw…

The extreme left aren't involved in mass murder at anything like the extent that the extreme right are. When looking at HVE groups the far left appears rarely, those lists are full of either militant Islamist or Far Right groups. The focus on the far right happens because it's the far right that are murdering people.

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Re: YouTube's tendency to push everyday users toward politically extreme content

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Yes, I and, I assumed the OP was talking about America since the statement that there aren't any leftist extremist groups is obviously untrue if you look at it from a world wide perceptive. That section on Wikipedia absolutely lists the left wing extremism that was common in America from the 1960's to the 1980's. I didn't look into the source of the stat listed there. But the point still stands, left wing extremism has existed in the US in the past even if it isn't the predominate problem present day.

Re: YouTube's tendency to push everyday users toward politically extreme content

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The international corporate media has not been honest in its reporting of the refugee situation in Europe. This is becoming clearer year by year, because some of the facts that were earlier dismissed as racist rhetoric are now becoming very difficult to ignore. For example earlier this year, Chancellor Merkel finally admitted that there are "no-go" zones in the country where even the police dare not go. This is an ex…

There is an argument against one part you wrote. "There is never a good reason not to tell the truth about these things, this is the result of what happens when you go down that path."

Let's make a hypothetical that a researcher has come up with a good way to measure intelligence/violence and concludes that indigenous Australians are way below everybody else in intelligence and way up in violence. What is there to gain to tell everybody that and what is the potential downside.

They can get extra resources in school to help them and people can resent them for taking more resources from the school without paying more tax. So there are opportunities to help them but can also create tensions. I agree that we should always tell the truth but I can still see the point of the other side.

So as a hypothetical, if there are differences between different people, should we tell everybody. You don't need to answer me, just a fun concept to play with.

Re: YouTube's tendency to push everyday users toward politically extreme content

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The west has long lived by the rule of laissez-faire, until something bad happens and only then try and fix things up. It has been effective albeit somewhat risky. We are still in early, lassez-faire days of the internet, meaning we have got a lot to learn about funneling the vast sea of information responsibly. Maybe we'll learn it eventually, without sacrificing core democratic values like freedom of expression in the process.

This problem in particular seems to be caused by the need for ads (since the recommendation engine seems to be geared towards clicking on ever new videos). Maybe a solution to this and similar issues that currently turns the internet into a sewer is to promote a 'responsible ads policy' for the internet that puts the initiative in the hands of the user: 1. no recommendations alongside the main content (only under a separate filterable view), 2. no ads alongside the main content (only under a separate filterable view). 3. No ads in the middle of main content (i.e. in the middle of a video, only in a separate filterable view).

It may seem idealistic, but with small increments of public momentum it could eventually make a dent. I don't see any other way, really.

Re: YouTube's tendency to push everyday users toward politically extreme content

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Say a perfect recommendation system existed. Should it give me what it knows I'll like or challenge me? Should it give me what I ask for even if it's wrong? Should it aggregate information for me to judge or analyze the content and judge it for me? Is it optimized for me? For the company? For what's best for humanity? And who decides what's best?

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It just struck me that this explains a lot of changes I've seen in people near me and myself. My mother started getting really into stuff like essential oils. My dad (non-american) spends a crazy amount of time watching videos and reading news about how crazy Trump is (yeah, he IS, but we don't even live in America!). My sister got really into nutrition and diets, with a bent towards complete suspicion of western medicine. My wife, while not a full on anti-vaxxer yet, is now suspicious of vaccinations and wants to wait to vaccinate our child, and skip some of them all together. This after having watched some "documentary" series on Youtube.

Myself, I've also seem to have become more extreme in what I'm willing to try to improve my health, personal finance, mental abilities etc. I'm not sure if all of this is due to Youtube specifically, but definitely due to the internet in general. However, I do believe that for many topics, the center/average view is usually wrong. For example the average views on things like diet, exercise, personal finance, materialism is just bad. The average Joe eats like crap, rarely exercises and has less than a few thousand dollars in savings/investments. Therefore, I'm starting to wonder what else out there I might be doing wrong that I haven't even considered yet.

Re: YouTube's tendency to push everyday users toward politically extreme content

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You have to be willfully blind not to see the obvious connection between far right groups and violence. Both the US and the UK have seen dramatic increases in far right terrorist attacks and equivocating this clear, observable phenomenon with bogeymen on the left is very disingenuous. If you're actually concerned with rising extremism you'd focus on the more pressing issue which is very much not the anti-imperialists…

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Re: YouTube's tendency to push everyday users toward politically extreme content

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The international corporate media has not been honest in its reporting of the refugee situation in Europe. This is becoming clearer year by year, because some of the facts that were earlier dismissed as racist rhetoric are now becoming very difficult to ignore. For example earlier this year, Chancellor Merkel finally admitted that there are "no-go" zones in the country where even the police dare not go. This is an ex…

It can be true and racist at the same time. If you never care about rapes except when it’s a dark skinned perpetrator in a white dominated country, then you are both racist and correct that that rape amongst refugees is an important issue.

I'll take this one: when you open your doors to people fleeing war and part of that population turn out to be over-represented in sexual assault crimes at a rate 4 times that of natives, this anomaly warrants investigation and often outrage.

Why? Well if it's not obvious, your society has been made more dangerous due to policies you had no say in, and when you voiced concern that something like this might occur you were called the very epithet you just used - "racist".

Hence why people 'care'.

I mean do we not remember the mass sexual assault in Cologne? Or the same in Sweden's summer festivals? This is not normal and demands attention.

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