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Re: GIMP receives a $100K donation

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Post by k_bx »

nothis wrote: post #5
darkwinx wrote: post #2

I hope that someday GIMP will have major change just like Krita & Blender. The UI of GIMP have received many complains.

I want to support GIMP but, especially for fast, professional use, the UI makes it impossible. Their raw features are on par with anything I'd want to do in Photoshop, it's 100% a UI issue at this point. And I don't get why it's this hard for open source projects to realize that (the only notable exception I know is Firefox, which I love).

Single-window mode has been a huge jump towards usability, and I'd imagine that involved quite some work. Text tool had a lot of work to make it better. Also, latest release should've removed the annoyance of font-loading process blocking start of the app (also a major usability issue).

I have a feeling that in many ways it's just a lack of resources to move things faster.

Re: GIMP receives a $100K donation

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Post by cmpb »

enriquto wrote: post #47
nothis wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want to support GIMP but, especially for fast, professional use, the UI makes it impossible. Their raw features are on par with anything I'd want to do in Photoshop, it's 100% a UI issue at this point. And I don't get why it's this hard for open source projects to realize that (the only notable exception I know is Firefox, which I love).

What is exactly the problem with gimp's UI? I find it intuitive and very easy to use (but then, I have not used many other interactive imaging programs). Is it missing something important? Has too many useless features? GIMP's UI is alright for me, what I need are more features that are sorely lacking: 1) ability to work with images having an arbitrary number of spectral bands 2) floating-point pixel values 3) comple…

Off-topic:

Googling "complex-valued pixels" didn't bring up anything, but I'm interested in finding out more about that. What pixel-related information do the real/imaginary parts represent? What sort of applications does that have?

Re: GIMP receives a $100K donation

#83

Post by adiusmus »

nothis wrote: post #5
darkwinx wrote: post #2

I hope that someday GIMP will have major change just like Krita & Blender. The UI of GIMP have received many complains.

I want to support GIMP but, especially for fast, professional use, the UI makes it impossible. Their raw features are on par with anything I'd want to do in Photoshop, it's 100% a UI issue at this point. And I don't get why it's this hard for open source projects to realize that (the only notable exception I know is Firefox, which I love).

Last time I used gimp it wouldn’t save a file in different format - I had to export it. For someone that just wants to grab an image, touch it up and resave it, gimp just irritates. There’s at least another 50 of these kinds of small annoyances that add up to one large dealbreaker for me. Of course none are bugs - it’s likely just intended behaviour that the developers think is great.

For what I need to do Krita is much better. I haven’t used photoshop for over a decade.

Re: GIMP receives a $100K donation

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Post by rootlocus »

mschaef wrote: post #27
emilfihlman wrote: post #16

>We thank both Handshake.org and GNOME Foundation for the generous donation and will use the money to do much overdue hardware upgrade for the core team members and organize the next hackfest to bring the team together, as well as sponsor the next instance of Libre Graphics Meeting. I don't like this. The money should be used for paying a developer or a couple to develop full time a central feature, like the UI, not…

What are you basing your opinion on? How much direct understanding do you have of what the Gimp team needs and doesn't?

As someone who uses Photoshop and Krita for painting and animation, I can tell you GIMP is unusable as a painter. The way they allocated this donation does nothing to help me use GIMP. And you don't have to take my word for it: David Revoy, the only professional painter to use open-source software and actively promote GIMP that I know, switched to Krita [1]

[1] https://krita.org/en/item/interview-with-david-revoy/

Re: GIMP receives a $100K donation

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Post by amenod »

enriquto wrote: post #47
nothis wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want to support GIMP but, especially for fast, professional use, the UI makes it impossible. Their raw features are on par with anything I'd want to do in Photoshop, it's 100% a UI issue at this point. And I don't get why it's this hard for open source projects to realize that (the only notable exception I know is Firefox, which I love).

What is exactly the problem with gimp's UI? I find it intuitive and very easy to use (but then, I have not used many other interactive imaging programs). Is it missing something important? Has too many useless features? GIMP's UI is alright for me, what I need are more features that are sorely lacking: 1) ability to work with images having an arbitrary number of spectral bands 2) floating-point pixel values 3) comple…

> What is exactly the problem with gimp's UI?

Where do I start?

  - sometimes when I start it it doesn't display toolbox
  - when I open the toolbox it is (sometimes) a vertical line of buttons (single column) instead of 5 columns that I begged it countless times to be
  - setting the size of pencil is completely unintuitive - I usually click in what appears to be input field, only to discover it is not (but instead some meter that sets size to some huge number)
  - saving the set size is something that should be done automatically, but I haven't found a convenient way to do it
And that is even without mentioning the whole Save / Export fiasco.

Note that I love Gimp and use it often, but UX is not its strong point.

Re: GIMP receives a $100K donation

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Post by adiusmus »

chrisseaton wrote: post #64
rasengan wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sometimes when there isn’t unlimited funding and the ability to spend unlimited time, the efforts are probably spent on core functionality over aesthetics. GIMP is a highly featureful project with powerful scripting capabilities. I wouldn’t say it isn’t already on par or more powerful than Photoshop.

> aesthetics It's not aesthetics. You make it sound trivial. People aren't talking about things like how the icons are designed. They mean the workflow.

Correct. I can get things done faster in krita than gimp. And that is basic tasks.

Re: GIMP receives a $100K donation

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Post by rqs »

kaffeemitsahne wrote: post #43
rqs wrote: post #17

Create news, hope GIMP can use that money to work out a better and intuitive design. For example, currently, many Filters don't have previews (Or the preview window is too small), which make apply them become a slow try and error game. Also, the Text in the picture can be hard to select, as sometime you mistakenly select the underlying layer instead of the text. Also again, Filters cannot be directly applied to edita…

You can always submit bugs/annoyances/requests directly to the GIMP developers: https://www.gimp.org/bugs/

Oh, thanks for the heads up. I thought it's for bugs only.

Re: GIMP receives a $100K donation

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Post by kens »

omegabravo wrote: post #32
rasengan wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are actually many different ways you can customize the UI to your liking, including themes among other things. You can also run GIMP in window mode which encapsulates all sub windows into a single app window, just like the other apps you mentioned. If none of these are your cup of tea, please make a PR - It’s open source. :) That said, Krita and Blender are very very nice.

I had no idea. For those people that last successfully used gimp >5 years ago. Windows > Single Window Mode. Windows > New Toolbox Windows > Dockable Dialogs > Tool Options It is hard to convey how much more comfortable I feel with the program with these tiny settings changes. I wonder how many other people are in the same boat as I. I spend a lot of time in a grid style interface, so it is great to see: * View > Sho…

I agree with omegabravo. I expected Single Window Mode to be pointless but tried it recently, and it's so much better. No more trying to find the dialog that's under the other dialogs; everything is just there. If you're a GIMP user, give it a try.

Re: GIMP receives a $100K donation

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Post by rushabh »

nothis wrote: post #5
darkwinx wrote: post #2

I hope that someday GIMP will have major change just like Krita & Blender. The UI of GIMP have received many complains.

I want to support GIMP but, especially for fast, professional use, the UI makes it impossible. Their raw features are on par with anything I'd want to do in Photoshop, it's 100% a UI issue at this point. And I don't get why it's this hard for open source projects to realize that (the only notable exception I know is Firefox, which I love).

Great UI comes from a strong leader who has specific tastes that everyone may not agree to. Execution of such a vision has to be highly controlled and it means at times taking tough decisions and throwing away someone’s work.

Open source is usually built with consensus and that is why it’s hard to follow “one vision”. Also hard to chuck out contributed code / features, specially when its voluntary since it’s not welcoming for new contributors.

Re: GIMP receives a $100K donation

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Post by enriquto »

cmpb wrote: post #82
enriquto wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is exactly the problem with gimp's UI? I find it intuitive and very easy to use (but then, I have not used many other interactive imaging programs). Is it missing something important? Has too many useless features? GIMP's UI is alright for me, what I need are more features that are sorely lacking: 1) ability to work with images having an arbitrary number of spectral bands 2) floating-point pixel values 3) comple…

Off-topic: Googling "complex-valued pixels" didn't bring up anything, but I'm interested in finding out more about that. What pixel-related information do the real/imaginary parts represent? What sort of applications does that have?

Radar images (e.g., those publicly available from the Sentinel 1 satellite) typically come as complex-valued images. You look at the norm of the complex numbers to understand the structures, but for interferometry you need the phase also.

If you compute the Fourier transform of a scalar-valued image, you obtain a complex-valued image. It would be nice to be able to process these transforms with gimp (e.g., to "paint" a few parts in black to set those frequencies to zero, thereby defining a band-pass filter).

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