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In Kenya, “sugar” relationships have become both more common and more visible

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Re: In Kenya, “sugar” relationships have become both more common and more visible

#81

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Don't you think with economic equality, 80% of females will go to top 10% of males (for free) ? While now at least they pay.

Are you saying 80% or more of women don't want monogamous relationships?

I think he's saying 80% of women want monogamous relationships with the top 10% of men :)

Re: In Kenya, “sugar” relationships have become both more common and more visible

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That's not what we see in the Nordic countries .

If I remember correctly 23% of norwegian males under 40 are childless while only 13% of females are childless. And that is for having children; I'm sure in the "casual dating"/monopolising the most fertile/attractive years of women the top males have it much better.

I don't get it. You can't "monopolize" anyone as far as casual encounters are concerned, since they're by definition 'casual', i.e. temporary, non-exclusive, short-term, etc. Or are you implying that each man in that supposed top 10% has literally eight women waiting in line for him and abstaining from any other kind of encounter? That's a quite bold statement and not one I've verified from personal experience. But then I don't live in America?

Re: In Kenya, “sugar” relationships have become both more common and more visible

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Global replace "Kenya" with "USA", the tale still rings true.

Exactly, China, Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam, Russia. Arguably less percentage in EU.

Or more like, the world has always been like that in some form or another. Sugar Daddy is nothing new, we just happen to have Internet to spread this information far wider.

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“Transactional sex was once driven by poverty”

Isn’t poverty what drives most of us to get any job? I work because otherwise i’d be in poverty.

Are they implying that sex work is the only work available to them? Unlikely. But I imagine sex work is far more profitable and easier of a job than the alternatives - so maybe that actually makes it a good thing?

Re: In Kenya, “sugar” relationships have become both more common and more visible

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The oldest profession is prostitution. You can find references to it in ancient greek writings, for example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hetaira

It seems moneylender is an even older one, if the book "Debt: the first 5000 years" has accurate enough information.

Re: In Kenya, “sugar” relationships have become both more common and more visible

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I'd like to hear of any HNers who are involved in this lifestyle. Given SV pay, it must be not unheard of.

Go ahead and ask something about it, the throwaway account is ready. Not in SV however. It's been interesting - e.g. I met the smartest (but lazy) person I know and I know for sure that one tech billionaire that you've likely heard of was also doing it.

Where do you meet the girls?

Do the girls ever fall in love with you? Or you with them?

How many girls do you see at a time? How long does the arrangement usually last?

How much of the remuneration is in cash vs luxury items like jewellery, handbags, phones etc?

Re: In Kenya, “sugar” relationships have become both more common and more visible

#87

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What you said is close to a tautology, and like most tautologies, they are merely a play on words and don't leave any substantial insight.

Not true. There are relationships (for example between mother and child) that are not based on reciprocation. Nothing in the definition of the word "relationship" implies expectations or getting something in return. It's a synthetic proposition, not an analytic (tautological) one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analytic–synthetic_distinction

Is the mother child relationship really not based on reciprocation? The child doesn't enter the relationship willingly which makes it more interesting, but most people that I talk to who want kids do have an expectation of why they want kids. I specifically don't want kids, so this is always of interest to me.

BTW, not trying to debate necessarily as I don't have a strong feeling on either side. I just found this article and your comment to be interesting.

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Not true. There are relationships (for example between mother and child) that are not based on reciprocation. Nothing in the definition of the word "relationship" implies expectations or getting something in return. It's a synthetic proposition, not an analytic (tautological) one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analytic–synthetic_distinction

Is the mother child relationship really not based on reciprocation? The child doesn't enter the relationship willingly which makes it more interesting, but most people that I talk to who want kids do have an expectation of why they want kids. I specifically don't want kids, so this is always of interest to me. BTW, not trying to debate necessarily as I don't have a strong feeling on either side. I just found this art…

Like giving money to charity, there is no personal gain from giving to organisation that will provide some unknown form of aid to children across the world. Yet it is worth it for some people to make the donation. As selfless as giving to charity is, having a child is magnitudes more selfless (unless you fully expect your child to care for you later in life).

Cost, time, stress, etc. At the benefit of seeing a part of you live on and be happy.

Re: In Kenya, “sugar” relationships have become both more common and more visible

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post #81

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Are you saying 80% or more of women don't want monogamous relationships?

I think he's saying 80% of women want monogamous relationships with the top 10% of men :)

No, he’s saying 100% of women want relationships with the top 10% of men. Because that’s just reality
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