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Re: AI Can Transform Anyone Into a Professional Dancer

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

nineteen999 wrote: post #48
djaychela wrote: post #40

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I don't think it's always the case that you -can- tell. I think it falls nearly into 'Rumsfeld classification': Known Knowns - done for the clear effect, which is audible by everyone (as popularised, but not invented by Cher, T-Pain, etc). Known Unknowns - ones where most people wouldn't notice, but if you've listened to autotune a lot you'd swear it's been done (sustained notes with vibrato added seem to be clear co…

> it can tweak an otherwise brilliant performance and make it near-perfect That's what I'm getting at - "perfect" is something that the human voice does so infrequently on its own so when we hear the "perfect" performance, we know it's been doctored. As a point of reference, I look back at something like the Boswell sisters. Some of their early stuff was recorded in mono direct to wax disc but they were so skilled, w…

Vocal perfection is about attitude and projection, not pitch.

Autotune is orthogonal to creating that perfection. If someone has it Autotune won't take it away, no matter how obviously it's used.

If someone doesn't have it, Autotune won't give it to them.

Re: AI Can Transform Anyone Into a Professional Dancer

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Post by DrNuke »

browsercoin wrote: post #79
DrNuke wrote: post #70

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Link a blockchain app made with IOTA (for example, but this is the best and most manageable protocol I can see out there just now) to your unique ID in the form of something like your heartbeat plus your physical location plus your actual body shape, then perform a mini-transaction every 30 seconds or every minute or the granularity you need, finally store the transactions linked to that data as an alibi against any…

Why do you need a blockchain database specifically? What properties of it is relevant here?

Privacy first, so that you can disclose to third parties and to the general public at large the relevant and decentrally validated bits only, in pound-for-pound time and space contrast with any fake, AI-generated medium imho.

Re: AI Can Transform Anyone Into a Professional Dancer

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Post by xg15 »

DrNuke wrote: post #70
eivarv wrote: post #69

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How would blockchain solve the issue?

Link a blockchain app made with IOTA (for example, but this is the best and most manageable protocol I can see out there just now) to your unique ID in the form of something like your heartbeat plus your physical location plus your actual body shape, then perform a mini-transaction every 30 seconds or every minute or the granularity you need, finally store the transactions linked to that data as an alibi against any…

> blockchain

> perform a mini-transaction every 30 seconds

I guess if you don't want to be blackmailed, you better have money.

Re: AI Can Transform Anyone Into a Professional Dancer

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Post by DrNuke »

xg15 wrote: post #83
DrNuke wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Link a blockchain app made with IOTA (for example, but this is the best and most manageable protocol I can see out there just now) to your unique ID in the form of something like your heartbeat plus your physical location plus your actual body shape, then perform a mini-transaction every 30 seconds or every minute or the granularity you need, finally store the transactions linked to that data as an alibi against any…

> blockchain > perform a mini-transaction every 30 seconds I guess if you don't want to be blackmailed, you better have money.

IOTA wants to be so cheap with their machine-to-machine global aim that humans can be a quite limited subset of their full sample, making costs pretty thin. They may even allow it for free for a personal ID as a PR stunt to make the IOTA protocol mainstream.

Re: AI Can Transform Anyone Into a Professional Dancer

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Post by eivarv »

DrNuke wrote: post #70
eivarv wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would blockchain solve the issue?

Link a blockchain app made with IOTA (for example, but this is the best and most manageable protocol I can see out there just now) to your unique ID in the form of something like your heartbeat plus your physical location plus your actual body shape, then perform a mini-transaction every 30 seconds or every minute or the granularity you need, finally store the transactions linked to that data as an alibi against any…

Or you could just be critical, and be aware of the limitations of media as it pertains to representation of truth and reality.

Besides, techniques for identifying fakes is likely to lag closely behind the techniques for producing them.

The first time we talked about "DeepFakes", someone I know pointed out that there is nothing inherently new in this issue. Media has been faked to manipulate the truth as long as there has been media.

Wether you trust the medium, a person, or a blockchain, trust is only as good as the information you base it upon – and there's always ways to circumvent it, or otherwise deceive you.

Also: There are some pretty big privacy issues (from what I understand) with what you describe.

Re: AI Can Transform Anyone Into a Professional Dancer

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Post by nineteen999 »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #81
nineteen999 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it can tweak an otherwise brilliant performance and make it near-perfect That's what I'm getting at - "perfect" is something that the human voice does so infrequently on its own so when we hear the "perfect" performance, we know it's been doctored. As a point of reference, I look back at something like the Boswell sisters. Some of their early stuff was recorded in mono direct to wax disc but they were so skilled, w…

Vocal perfection is about attitude and projection, not pitch. Autotune is orthogonal to creating that perfection. If someone has it Autotune won't take it away, no matter how obviously it's used. If someone doesn't have it, Autotune won't give it to them.

I agree with all your points. I think the obsession with completely perfect vocal performance has gone too far for my personal taste. Modern mainstream pop records have a combination of too many takes spliced together for one "perfect" take, together with minor correction of the odd note here and there and the end-to-end result is "too perfect" for my old ears. There's no mistakes or personality in many of these records and it sounds boring to me. That's all. I'm not claiming to have the only valid opinion on the matter, or that all modern music is like that, and I also know I'm also not alone in my thinking and taste.

Re: AI Can Transform Anyone Into a Professional Dancer

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mraison wrote: post #80

> Using NVIDIA TITAN Xp and GeForce GTX 1080 Ti GPUs, with the cuDNN-accelerated PyTorch deep learning framework for both training and inference > the team based their algorithm on the pix2pixHD architecture developed by NVIDIA researchers Is it me, or is NVIDIA trying very hard to take credit for this UC Berkeley paper? (they're almost taking credit for Pytorch as well). Sure, this kind of work wouldn't be possible…

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Re: AI Can Transform Anyone Into a Professional Dancer

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Post by mattmanser »

mraison wrote: post #80

> Using NVIDIA TITAN Xp and GeForce GTX 1080 Ti GPUs, with the cuDNN-accelerated PyTorch deep learning framework for both training and inference > the team based their algorithm on the pix2pixHD architecture developed by NVIDIA researchers Is it me, or is NVIDIA trying very hard to take credit for this UC Berkeley paper? (they're almost taking credit for Pytorch as well). Sure, this kind of work wouldn't be possible…

It's on the nvidia site, it's either been edited by them, or they supplied the cards or part funded the work.

Re: AI Can Transform Anyone Into a Professional Dancer

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Post by DrNuke »

eivarv wrote: post #85
DrNuke wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Link a blockchain app made with IOTA (for example, but this is the best and most manageable protocol I can see out there just now) to your unique ID in the form of something like your heartbeat plus your physical location plus your actual body shape, then perform a mini-transaction every 30 seconds or every minute or the granularity you need, finally store the transactions linked to that data as an alibi against any…

Or you could just be critical, and be aware of the limitations of media as it pertains to representation of truth and reality. Besides, techniques for identifying fakes is likely to lag closely behind the techniques for producing them. The first time we talked about "DeepFakes", someone I know pointed out that there is nothing inherently new in this issue. Media has been faked to manipulate the truth as long as there…

Unbiased courts or at the very least your legacy as an innocent person if you get however smothered need a bullet proof you did not do what deepfakes claimed you did. As for privacy, again, blockchain makes your data fully available to you only and you only need to disclose the relevant bits against the time-space accusation you face. Trust cannot be delegated but reliable technical means would help a lot.

Re: AI Can Transform Anyone Into a Professional Dancer

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Post by gitgud »

DrNuke wrote: post #70
eivarv wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would blockchain solve the issue?

Link a blockchain app made with IOTA (for example, but this is the best and most manageable protocol I can see out there just now) to your unique ID in the form of something like your heartbeat plus your physical location plus your actual body shape, then perform a mini-transaction every 30 seconds or every minute or the granularity you need, finally store the transactions linked to that data as an alibi against any…

> unique ID in the form of something like your heartbeat plus your physical location plus your actual body shape, then perform a mini-transaction every 30 seconds

Extreme surveillance, for what? To give evidence that you weren't in a fake dancing video?

I can't see this happening any time soon ...

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