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A Kindergartener’s Best Computer Is About to Die

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Re: A Kindergartener’s Best Computer Is About to Die

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Since OP seems to be keeping an eye on this thread, I'll ask here: have you considered using other tablets (Samsung etc.)? In case you did, and it didn't work as well as the iPad: what makes the iPad the ideal device in kindergarten? Construction quality? Software/Apps?

This is Apple’s marketing so obviously it’s biased, but here: https://www.apple.com/education/products/ How good is augmented reality on generic tablets? ..just as one example. Many people criticizing iPads haven’t used them for education recently or haven’t been trained on how to fully leverage the tech effectively. The curriculum assistance, available (quality) apps and overall device versatily are unmatched by com…

> Many people criticizing iPads haven’t used them for education recently or haven’t been trained on how to fully leverage the tech effectively. The curriculum assistance, available (quality) apps and overall device versatily are unmatched by competing devices.

There is nothing on that marketing page that seems to especially improve learning vs. physical materials for anyone under about 10 years old. And frankly most stuff for 10–15 year olds can still (a) probably be done as well if not better using physical materials, and (b) isn’t significantly different between an iPad and a laptop or desktop machine, and often could be done on a machine shared by several students working together or taking turns.

I can well imagine that someone trying to learn how to program might want to use some kind of computer, but even then why an iPad instead of a little turtle robot that responds to Logo, or whatever?

Someone trying to learn how to make electronic music or edit video might get a lot of mileage out of computers (iPad or otherwise) but I can’t imagine this has become a core part of the school pedagogy.

I can also imagine that for anyone in middle school and up there might be a big benefit to carrying an iPad around instead of a giant backpack stuffed with 5 separate overweight textbooks. Though there are some advantages to the physical books too.

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Instead of telling a bunch of skeptical non-teacher techies that we “haven’t been trained on how to fully leverage the tech”, maybe you can explain what that training would entail?

What in your experience has the iPad been so powerful for that couldn’t be done without computers? What age kids are you working with, and what are they working on?

Re: A Kindergartener’s Best Computer Is About to Die

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The iPad Mini isn't the only touchscreen tablet in its rough size class; there are plenty that aren't discontinued; Apple isn't the whole tablet world.

Plus, to the extent that touch is a desirable interaction for the target age group, many current Chromebooks are touch devices. (Even the tablet-convertible ones, though are not a convenient size for handheld use by a kindergartner, to be sure.)

Re: A Kindergartener’s Best Computer Is About to Die

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i find it fascinating someone it's not ashamed to admit they are extremely lazy and just hand out toddlers tablets to get rid of them, that's like laziest thing you can do - give child a tablet or let them sit in front of TV

the kindergarten for my child doesn't even have TV and nobody has problem, the other branch has one TV which they don't really switch on, can't imagine having tablet in kindergarten, that's just pure laziness

i let my child watch TV like max. one hour a week as reward after trimming nails, of course pretty much zero time with mobile/tablet, it would be minutes per week when watching over my shoulder at some of our photos/videos or rarely gifs i watch

i don't see a reason why should child in kindergarten spend any time in front of screen anywhere, i ruined my eyes by staring at screen, that can't be healthy for children eyes and for many other reasons

i would be curious if they use tablets in other European countries or it's just another example of "superior" american education system

Re: A Kindergartener’s Best Computer Is About to Die

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Android is a deal breaker though for many people. For example, I don't want to worry about whether I have Ice Cream Cookie, Yogurtland, Lolly Pop, etc. I don't want to have to run Norton Antivirus on it. In fact, I don't want to be forced to think about security at all. I want an app store with trusted apps, not hackers.

While all the points you mention do bear some credence, I think the biggest argument for iOS tablets over Android is the lack of first party tablet app support on Android. I;m not saying there are no tablet apps, just they're a lot less common vs iPad apps, which often are a lot more than just scaled up iphone apps.

Where is the exact problem there? I never came upon an app that would cause a problem on my Android tablet because it's not a "first party tablet app".

Especially nothing that would justify the immense cost of an iPad.

Re: A Kindergartener’s Best Computer Is About to Die

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My kids started with the ipod touches and then on to the ipad when it came out. They got the mini a few years ago. They had touch screens since they were infants. I am a bit jaded with the technology. The experience is too removed from the real world and they miss out on interactions with both other humans and the surrounding environment to their detriment. We won't be updating their devices and I would make different choices a second time around. I think chromebooks and PCs are even more useless at that age but being less seductive I would hope kids get bored quickly and instead engage in social play or interacting with physical objects.

Re: A Kindergartener’s Best Computer Is About to Die

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What about plugging a mouse into the Chromebooks? I distinctly remember being in kindergarten and using a mouse as my pointer input. I played Treasure Mountain! and some other educational games. Kids are pretty capable and adept at picking up new things. We should be pushing forward with tech literacy while they're still young and not afraid of breaking technology. Touch screens are great because they provided a very…

Great for normal users, awful for disabled users. A touchscreen is light-years ahead of mice for individuals who lack or are incapable of fine motor control skills.

I assume different school system has different rules, but here in Sweden there are laws that school must adapt based on the need of the child. A disabled child should get the right tools based on their needs, which will depend on the exact circumstances.

For someone with impaired motor control skills I would assume that default software and a touchscreen is far from usable. There is a reason why many touchscreen system has a stylus pen, which would obviously not work in kindergarten for children with impaired motor control skills. A large screen and software designed for it could be one way, but I have also seen massive trackballs that I recall is being used in those situations.

Re: A Kindergartener’s Best Computer Is About to Die

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chromebooke are more consumer than iPads. Can you run iMovie on a Chromebook? GarageBand or similar? How about all of the adobe design software for iPad? Or Concepts for drawing? How about Pages, Numbers Keynote? (Sure there are Google equivalents, but the argument is that iPad is for consumption and not creation.) It’s 2013 thinking to suggest iPads are for content consumption and it’s ridiculous to assert that a Ch…

A Chromebook has a great advantage for creation when used for things like Google Docs. Many kids become prolific writers, especially since they are teaching typing in 3rd grade. It's amazing to see your kid bang out a story for fun .

iOS So iPad has Google Docs and other Google Suite apps as well. No advantage there.

Re: A Kindergartener’s Best Computer Is About to Die

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Why the hell does anyone in kindergarten need a computer? They should be out in the playground getting muddy and having fun, riding trikes and soapboxes, climbing trees and building forts.

gotta keep them getting allergies to feed pharma lobby, so it's better if they are just holding tablets in sterile environment

Re: A Kindergartener’s Best Computer Is About to Die

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What about plugging a mouse into the Chromebooks? I distinctly remember being in kindergarten and using a mouse as my pointer input. I played Treasure Mountain! and some other educational games. Kids are pretty capable and adept at picking up new things. We should be pushing forward with tech literacy while they're still young and not afraid of breaking technology. Touch screens are great because they provided a very…

Certainly kids are good at picking things up! In fact, they do pick up Chromebooks - but it is a painful experience for the early education groups I'm talking about (K-2) because they often don't read well enough yet. (I'm in public school.) And knowing letters really helps keyboarding. Part of what I'm trying to contest is this elitism of laptop over tablet. My kids can do group activities with a tablet - carry it w…

Dell and Lenovo are the leading suppliers of Chromebooks designed specifically for the education market. Both offer multiple 2 in 1 models which fold into a tablet form factor and have touch screens.

Perhaps the issue isn't Chromebooks but that your experience is with inappropriately chosen Chromebooks.

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