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Artificial Intelligence Is Now a Pentagon Priority. Will Silicon Valley Help?

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Re: Artificial Intelligence Is Now a Pentagon Priority. Will Silicon Valley Help?

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Post by lawrenceyan »

citrablue wrote: post #78
lawrenceyan wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would argue that these innovations were able to be created in spite of the military not because. Think of why the military exists. With finite resources at its disposal what does it fund to maximize its objective? Remember that the military exists only for one purpose, and that is the ability to wage war.

I disagree, I think the military exists for the purpose of advancing American interests at home and abroad. Think of ships like the USS Mercy, or other humanitarian efforts. What makes you think those innovations would have been created without the military? The US military does a lot of research that doesn't have immediate practical/commercial applications. They cost a lot of money, and don't have obvious payoffs, w…

> advancing American interests at home and abroad.

Just a nicer way of saying advancing the capability to wage war. Trying to hide the reality behind a veil does not remove the facts. War I repeat is a zero sum game, and contributes nothing to humanity besides the petty interests of nation states.

I agree with you though that the military does a ton of fundamental research. It's just a shame that for many scientists, the only way they can get funding is by being forced to think of ways that their area of research can be applied towards killing and destruction. There's a reason why in the greater scientific field, but especially that of ML/AI, that so many researchers are so adamantly against working on military applications of their research.

Re: Artificial Intelligence Is Now a Pentagon Priority. Will Silicon Valley Help?

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Post by freedomben »

Theodores wrote: post #57
lawrenceyan wrote: post #35

The reason why the military will always be technologically behind is that the salaries they're willing to pay for talent is far less compared to what you can get in the Bay Area and/or New York if you decide to do quantitative finance. It's as simple as that, but there's far more than just the economics that are involved. Even if in the world where the military does pay salaries on par with the Google farm, very few…

I believe that working on B2B software is a force for good. Nations and people that need each other for trade don't have good reason to go to war. Plus we can't all be raising money for do good charities, there has to be some real trade based economy going on. Hence merely working on B2B software is : saving the planet:.

Haha, very interesting logic :-)

You're right tho. Free and prolific trade is the greatest anti-war force we have ever seen. Having mutually dependent economies raises the cost of war to heights that exceed the threshold of tolerance.

Re: Artificial Intelligence Is Now a Pentagon Priority. Will Silicon Valley Help?

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Post by killjoywashere »

syshum wrote: post #52
killjoywashere wrote: post #27

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In the history of the world violence never really solved any problem, it is moronic to believe that killing people by "sending kinetic energy down range" is a solution to any perceived problems highlights the a huge problem in the military industrial complex. Violence is an action used when all other actions have failed and your life is directly and imminently threaten by someone else, That is the ONLY ethical use of…

> Violence is an action used when all other actions have failed and your life is directly and imminently threaten by someone else, That is the ONLY ethical use of violence.

Look up jus ad bellum. I think if you look at past wars in which the US was the aggressor, and stack them up against the principles of just war, you'll find they often meet more criteria than a lot of people care to believe. Regardless, the military is an instrument of the people. If the military does things you disagree with, vote. Campaign. Lobby. Spend your time and money influencing other people to get off their asses and vote.

I'm frankly a little weary of fighting for a country of overweight non-voters.

Re: Artificial Intelligence Is Now a Pentagon Priority. Will Silicon Valley Help?

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Post by syshum »

killjoywashere wrote: post #83
syshum wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the history of the world violence never really solved any problem, it is moronic to believe that killing people by "sending kinetic energy down range" is a solution to any perceived problems highlights the a huge problem in the military industrial complex. Violence is an action used when all other actions have failed and your life is directly and imminently threaten by someone else, That is the ONLY ethical use of…

> Violence is an action used when all other actions have failed and your life is directly and imminently threaten by someone else, That is the ONLY ethical use of violence. Look up jus ad bellum. I think if you look at past wars in which the US was the aggressor, and stack them up against the principles of just war, you'll find they often meet more criteria than a lot of people care to believe. Regardless, the milita…

>If the military does things you disagree with, vote.

Shall I show you the countless studies that prove that voting in a First past the post election system is pointless and does not, in fact, change any policy?

For example the study Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens.

>I'm frankly a little weary of fighting for a country of overweight non-voters.

the act of non-voting is itself an action, it is a statement of distrust, disillusion and or disenfranchisement from the system

You believe it is laziness or some other reason people do not vote when in reality they have correctly assessed that voting is pointless in the modern system.

Study after Study shows this to be true. The government does what people with political influence want, not what the citizens wants

Re: Artificial Intelligence Is Now a Pentagon Priority. Will Silicon Valley Help?

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Post by killjoywashere »

syshum wrote: post #84
killjoywashere wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Violence is an action used when all other actions have failed and your life is directly and imminently threaten by someone else, That is the ONLY ethical use of violence. Look up jus ad bellum. I think if you look at past wars in which the US was the aggressor, and stack them up against the principles of just war, you'll find they often meet more criteria than a lot of people care to believe. Regardless, the milita…

>If the military does things you disagree with, vote. Shall I show you the countless studies that prove that voting in a First past the post election system is pointless and does not, in fact, change any policy? For example the study Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens. >I'm frankly a little weary of fighting for a country of overweight non-voters. the act of non-votin…

Then gain political influence. Again, campaign, lobby. Press the flesh.

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Post by CitizenTekk »

syshum wrote: post #51
CitizenTekk wrote: post #44

Is it just me? Or I'm just really excited that the war of "people" is gonna be over and there will be a war of "AI" just like on Reel Steel.

It is just you, as war will necessarily always involve death and destruction. The only thing that will change here is that it will no longer be a human choosing who lives and who dies, it will be an computer algorithm. The problem with war today is the people that choose who lives and who dies are not the same people that actually have to do the killing, further removing humans from this decision chain is not desirab…

I feel you and I understand you. I'm also against the war. What I intended to feel like the war should be is to be like the film Reel Steel. Imagine that, no people should be fighting only robots. It's just a context I believe many people would relate to.
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