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Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Post by frockington » Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 7:13 PM UTC

briandear wrote: post #61

ransom1538 wrote: post #52

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Brazil "Thus, disarmament is effectively happening in Brazil,[12] as are massive gun confiscations,[13] notwithstanding its refusal by Brazilian people (at the referendum of 2005). Some argue that this will increase gun homicides. Other research shows that there is a decrease in firearm deaths correlating with disarmament.[14][15] However, 2012 marked the highest rate of gun…

Venenzuela fully “disarmed” in 2013. And the murder rate went up significantly. Mexico is also “disarmed” and their murder rate is sky high. There is no correlation to gun disarming and crime rate reduction. The problems aren’t caused by guns, but by disfunctional governments.

Even in America your point stands. Chicago and LA have strict gun laws and out of control crime

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Post by coliveira » Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 7:15 PM UTC

slig wrote: post #60

coliveira wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just look at the links in the parallel comment.

Not a proper source ("braZZil.com really?) and it's only about 1/3 of your claims.

Government of Michel Temer has new plans for healthcare as part of plans to slash government expenditure.

https://www.imtj.com/news/brazil-dismantle-universal-healthc...

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Post by slig » Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 7:15 PM UTC

coliveira wrote: post #75

slig wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a proper source ("braZZil.com really?) and it's only about 1/3 of your claims.

Brazil's Deep Cuts To Science Funding Will Lock Country In The Past https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2017/10/12/557099357/brazi...

This won't happen https://g1.globo.com/educacao/noticia/2018/08/06/conselho-da...

And you said "destroy public education" like we had a good public education that could be destroyed in the first place.

Edit: I can't reply to the comments bellow, but, again, these are not sources for what you said before "destroy public education".

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Post by slig » Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 7:17 PM UTC

coliveira wrote: post #77

slig wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a proper source ("braZZil.com really?) and it's only about 1/3 of your claims.

Brazilian army to take control of security in Rio as violence rises; President Temer’s plan aims to curb street crime and gang violence; Proposal criticised by residents of Rio’s favelas https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/16/brazilian-army...

Not a source for "put everyone who complains under military surveillance".

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Post by personlurking » Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 7:17 PM UTC

bennicholes wrote: post #49

goshx wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You never know when you are going to be targeted, so you live in this constant fear. Ask anyone who lives in Brazil what they do if they see two guys in a motorcycle coming their way. I've been robbed at gun point; I've woken up with someone inside my bedroom stealing my laptop; I've been followed home; The bus from the public transport system I used to take was stopped by criminals and set on fire; and so on. It use…

Where did you live in Brazil? As an American I visit the interior of São Paulo and Belo Horizonte often and have never experienced anything like this, nor does it seem my Brazilian friends live in constant anxiety.

Two of my experiences living in the interior: at a rather crowded county fair, a group of teens ran by and I thought nothing of it. They ran by again and I took another look and realized it was a group chasing one guy. And the guy from the group, closest to the one being chased, had a proper machete in his hand and was just about to put it into the back of the neck of the one being chased when the latter slipped on something, just enough to be able to regain balance and run away, while the rest chased him.

Another time, I heard a ruckus from my room and looked out the window to see a group of about 20 men shouting. I had no idea what it could be about, but later realized it was a public lynching. That is, someone who either did something bad or was just thought to have done something bad, was caught by the group. Usually in these cases, there's no stopping the mob (from collectively beating the person to death).

Despite my two comments in this thread about some of the negative aspects of living in Brazil, I was never robbed or anything. And, it goes without saying (or, perhaps it needs to be said), there are many reasons to love the country, culture and people. These very real extremes, of positivity and negativity, make it a confusing place to be.

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Post by coliveira » Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 7:20 PM UTC

slig wrote: post #78

coliveira wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Millions of Brazilians Fall Back into Poverty https://apnews.com/89afd8d964984eb69678129e7d4a16cc "Meanwhile, budgetary pressures and the conservative policies of President Michel Temer are translating into cuts in social services. Among those hit is the Bolsa Familia — Family Allowance — program that gives small subsidies each month to qualifying low-income people. It’s credited with much of the poverty reduction du…

This hardly means that the plan is to "cut the little social net" like you said. Also, couple of paragraphs bellow: > "An Associated Press review of Bolsa Familia data found coverage declined 4 percentage points between May 2016, when Temer became acting president, and May of this year. Part of that may be due to a crackdown on alleged fraud that started late last year. Temer’s administration announced it had found “…

Temer’s administration has cut or blocked 1.1 million families from the flagship social program Bolsa Familia, or Family Purse. The program provides a small income to poor families who send their children to school and keep them under a doctor’s supervision, according to government figures.

Data released to The Associated Press after a request was made under Brazil’s freedom of information law shows that most cities affected by cuts to the Family Purse program were based in the poorest regions of Brazil, the north and northeast. Those areas are strongholds of Temer’s adversaries, including former President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva.

https://www.apnews.com/8be796a4692442b8befc65fa0c66d823

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Post by yesforwhat » Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 7:23 PM UTC

ulzeraj wrote: post #27

Fun fact: Brazil has very strict gun control laws.

So does England. One has the ability to enforce them, the other doesn't. The point you are implying, that gun laws do nothing, is ridiculous.

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Post by coliveira » Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 7:23 PM UTC

slig wrote: post #83

coliveira wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brazil's Deep Cuts To Science Funding Will Lock Country In The Past https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2017/10/12/557099357/brazi...

This won't happen https://g1.globo.com/educacao/noticia/2018/08/06/conselho-da... And you said "destroy public education" like we had a good public education that could be destroyed in the first place. Edit: I can't reply to the comments bellow, but, again, these are not sources for what you said before "destroy public education".

Brazilians, and especially students, have reason to be angry. PEC 55 will effectively freeze social spending by fixing budgetary increases to social-assistance programs to inflation, rather than GDP, for the next 20 years, severely impacting public health and education. The United Nations’ special rapporteur for extreme poverty and human rights, Philip Alston, condemned the measure, saying that it “will place Brazil in a socially retrogressive category all of its own.”

https://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/articles/20753/brazil-s-...

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Post by coliveira » Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 7:25 PM UTC

slig wrote: post #83

coliveira wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brazil's Deep Cuts To Science Funding Will Lock Country In The Past https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2017/10/12/557099357/brazi...

This won't happen https://g1.globo.com/educacao/noticia/2018/08/06/conselho-da... And you said "destroy public education" like we had a good public education that could be destroyed in the first place. Edit: I can't reply to the comments bellow, but, again, these are not sources for what you said before "destroy public education".

Brazil’s Ministry of Education has officially announced the end of the Science Without Borders mobility programme The programme had sent about 100,000 Brazilian students for studies abroad as of early 2015, and a previous Brazilian administration had announced plans for a further 100,000 scholarships through 2018 However, funding for Science Without Borders was effectively suspended in late-2015, and this month’s announcement confirms the programme will not continue

http://monitor.icef.com/2017/04/brazil-shutting-science-with...

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Post by gldalmaso » Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 7:29 PM UTC

ransom1538 wrote: post #52

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Brazil "Thus, disarmament is effectively happening in Brazil,[12] as are massive gun confiscations,[13] notwithstanding its refusal by Brazilian people (at the referendum of 2005). Some argue that this will increase gun homicides. Other research shows that there is a decrease in firearm deaths correlating with disarmament.[14][15] However, 2012 marked the highest rate of gun…

Most guns used in crime in Brazil are in the hands of criminals (usually traffic) and militia (which is just different criminals with ties to the police). They wouldn't exactly be purchasing those guns with their ids. A lot of it comes from the police and the army.

Gun laws protect civilians against civilians. There are no school shootings here that I'm aware of for instance (exceptions are usually targeted events), despite all the other violence.

Homicides in Brazil are only investigated for upper class victims. Violence against marginalized communities are mostly shrugged off if not outright desired by part of the conservative populace. They take pride in saying "bandido bom é bandido morto" (good thief is a dead thief) and revel in the fact that our police is responsible for countless deaths and executions without any shroud of due process.

IMO the only viable solution is for marginalized people to have true opportunity other than slave wages or a short career in drug trafficking. However since 2016 we are set on the opposite direction, so expect violence to increase with up to 40 mil new unemployed people and no budget to speak of for welfare, education and health.