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Re: IPOs are expensive and cumbersome – Try a direct listing, like we did at Spotify

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I posted this article because we’re planning to do the same and wanted to gather thoughts from the tech community (the financial community has commented on this sufficiently to help inform our process). I thought it might help to share our motivations for eventually listing our company vs taking more VC: a. The public markets force transparency. This aligns with our values. b. Governance enforced by VCs (especially i…

Probably worth reading this article about Tesla maybe going private and Dell becoming public again. Personally I like public companies that allows public scrutiny and makes it possible for everyone to buy a piece of the company. There is so much private investing now though that I dont think its a big difference.

> Yet over time, Dell came to the realization that servicing all of its debt, making strategic acquisitions and boosting shareholder returns was more challenging for a company that couldn’t easily tap the public markets.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-08/dell-s-le...

Re: IPOs are expensive and cumbersome – Try a direct listing, like we did at Spotify

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The banks backing spotify made about as much from their "non IPO" compared to what they would have made from a traditional IPO so I don't think too many bulge bracket banks are worried about this trend. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-26/spotify-l... > Avoiding the lock-up period was a very important part of our decision to list Spotify directly, but there were also clear financial benefits. This was…

> Why invest in your company if you don't have the conviction that it will be worth more 3-6 months from now.

On the contrary, investing in a newly listed company that still involves a lot of employees locked up in the company's stock is a scary proposition. Who knows how many will sell immediately when they're permitted to, and the share price will likely be discounted by investors accordingly.

Re: IPOs are expensive and cumbersome – Try a direct listing, like we did at Spotify

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> e. Friends and family and supporters can participate - especially from their retirement accounts. This is really important - the wealth creation being broad has a real good-news feel. Sharing the wealth. It's a really bad idea to do stock picking, or any other risky investment strategy, with your retirement account, and a really bad idea to promote it. One company goes bust and suddenly you lost your retirement sav…

Yes and no. I read in Brealey-Myers [1] that you can get 80-90% of the way to pure beta (market risk) by picking 15-20 stocks. You just have to pick ones that aren't super correlated, e.g. 10 pharmaceutical companies. Whether it's worth your time messing about with this is a separate matter entirely. [1] https://www.amazon.com/Principles-Corporate-Finance-Richard-...

Much easier to just buy an index.

Re: IPOs are expensive and cumbersome – Try a direct listing, like we did at Spotify

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>Why invest in your company if you don't have the conviction that it will be worth more 3-6 months from now. Because you think it will be worth more 3-6 years from now.

...In which case you as an investor should be even less concerned with lock-in over 3-6 months.

Most employees who are granted equity have no desire to be an investor in their company. They view their equity as a potential bonus somewhere down the line. Sure, many employees will hold some of their company stock for a while after going public, but for most employees, they'd be financially irresponsible to tie up most or all of their net worth in a single company.

Re: IPOs are expensive and cumbersome – Try a direct listing, like we did at Spotify

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Self directed IRAs are fairly specialized and are not offered by most brokerages. They also generally cost several hundred in annual fees just to maintain the account, regardless of usage.

That’s not true at all, fidelity is self managed and free aside from selling or stock. I’ve managed my own Roth and traditional Ira for years this way.

Sorry, but I don't believe that's accurate[1]. Being able to manage your own Roth and Traditional IRAs does not a "self-directed IRA" make.

[1] https://www.quora.com/What-is-a-Fidelity-self-directed-IRA

Re: IPOs are expensive and cumbersome – Try a direct listing, like we did at Spotify

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I posted this article because we’re planning to do the same and wanted to gather thoughts from the tech community (the financial community has commented on this sufficiently to help inform our process). I thought it might help to share our motivations for eventually listing our company vs taking more VC: a. The public markets force transparency. This aligns with our values. b. Governance enforced by VCs (especially i…

Some thoughts. (We are a fund that itself is going towards being a listed investment fund, and we invest in startup (e.g up to a few million revenue) many of which could themselves IPO.)

1: Consider whether your company is big enough to attract a decent number of investors and achieve liquidity, let alone analyst coverage. At least $100m valuation, but preferably a lot more. It all goes back to revenue.

2: Make sure you have enough investors with enough shares each to meet market minimums. If not then you need to do a pre-IPO round.

3: Consider the forecast-ability of your financial results - the best outcomes (long term growth without plunges in share price) are for companies with predictable growing revenue.

4: Consider attractiveness to banks - ideally try to get a fully underwritten offer from a top tier bank (or syndicate), and you would pay well for that, as the article shows. Alternatively consider finding your own series of investors which means meeting with countless investors well before you list and understanding what they need etc. Someone needs to buy those shares after you list.

5: Consider your current customers and overall reach in the investor population. Are you able to use them to attract/excite new investors? e.g. Xero is accounting software, and many of their early investors were accountants who understood how dramatic the change would be that it was bringing to their profession and their clients.

6: Consider whether your company has the ability to raise a very large amount of money at very high valuations on public markets due to the frothy prices. A hungry 3rd tier bank can help you go get a bunch of cash (making sure they get paid well) and while the share price will almost certainly fall, just make sure that the cash is spent slowly and wisely until you grow into your value.

a: Transparency: This is not as hard as it's made out to be, but you do need people whose job it is to provide the external information, both from a compliance and from PR/Investor Relations perspectives. You need to get your forecasts right - and that's hard, do roadshows (and you need a merchant bank to help), get analyst coverage and so on. Often it's the CEO who has to do this, but the Board will also be under a lot more scrutiny.

b: Unfriendly VCs: There are VCs and VCs - look for nice ones - e.g. a large family office with a very long term perspective on investing, or for VCs that have an aligned perspective. If your company is any good then create and auction and dictate terms. If your company is outrageously good then the IPO is easier, and if your company is lousy but attractive (cool) to the stock market then you might be able to get an IPO away, albeit with a bank's help and cut. Good = EBITDA, revenue and growth - the larger the better for all.

Public stock markets are often really uninformed about the strength of smaller tech investments (in particular), and in this sector value is highly volatile. You can take advantage (as mentioned above) of frothy valuations. On the other hand if (when) the stock price falls then following rounds will be dilutive, assuming you can find investors. Also when the price falls the entire company gets demotivated, while if the price is frothy then it's hard to provide share-based incentives.

c: Secondaries: Line up new investors before unleashing the internal sellers. Escrow periods help show the market that the shares won't be immediately dumped. Meanwhile you do have timing issues where insiders are only allowed to sell at certain times.

d: Capital Raising: sure the terms might be better but there are plenty of strings that the market/regulator puts in place. Arguably harder, but gets better with size.

e: F&F: Do the numbers to see how much money these folks actually have. They might not move the needle much.

f: Trust is easily destroyed too - you can't put a foot wrong on forecasts, announcements and so on. And when things go bad they go really bad.

Market updates are a weapon for and against you. Engage a IR firm to help.

Overall: Only IPO if the money is cheap (i.e. valuations and amounts raised versus the extra costs) or you are huge and need to provide liquidity to investors.

Re: IPOs are expensive and cumbersome – Try a direct listing, like we did at Spotify

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post #20

I posted this article because we’re planning to do the same and wanted to gather thoughts from the tech community (the financial community has commented on this sufficiently to help inform our process). I thought it might help to share our motivations for eventually listing our company vs taking more VC: a. The public markets force transparency. This aligns with our values. b. Governance enforced by VCs (especially i…

Probably worth reading this article about Tesla maybe going private and Dell becoming public again. Personally I like public companies that allows public scrutiny and makes it possible for everyone to buy a piece of the company. There is so much private investing now though that I dont think its a big difference. > Yet over time, Dell came to the realization that servicing all of its debt, making strategic acquisitio…

When a company is more vulnerable to short sellers and FUD it may make more sense for it to be private.

And there are reasons a company may be thus-vulnerable apart from mismanagement. E.g. if its success depends on fantastical sounding but trade-secret-constrained longer lead time tech.

Re: IPOs are expensive and cumbersome – Try a direct listing, like we did at Spotify

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Yes and no. I read in Brealey-Myers [1] that you can get 80-90% of the way to pure beta (market risk) by picking 15-20 stocks. You just have to pick ones that aren't super correlated, e.g. 10 pharmaceutical companies. Whether it's worth your time messing about with this is a separate matter entirely. [1] https://www.amazon.com/Principles-Corporate-Finance-Richard-...

Much easier to just buy an index.

Especially if you are trying to capture market beta. It's literally what index funds were designed to do.

Re: IPOs are expensive and cumbersome – Try a direct listing, like we did at Spotify

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post #85

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That’s not true at all, fidelity is self managed and free aside from selling or stock. I’ve managed my own Roth and traditional Ira for years this way.

Sorry, but I don't believe that's accurate[1]. Being able to manage your own Roth and Traditional IRAs does not a "self-directed IRA" make. [1] https://www.quora.com/What-is-a-Fidelity-self-directed-IRA

Perhaps I misunderstood, I would interpret self directed as an account I determine the direction of my investments. Thanks for clarifying.

Re: IPOs are expensive and cumbersome – Try a direct listing, like we did at Spotify

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I posted this article because we’re planning to do the same and wanted to gather thoughts from the tech community (the financial community has commented on this sufficiently to help inform our process). I thought it might help to share our motivations for eventually listing our company vs taking more VC: a. The public markets force transparency. This aligns with our values. b. Governance enforced by VCs (especially i…

I'm very supportive of this for all the reasons you listed, and particularly a variant of e. - it's deeply unfair that large investors get to take advantage of IPO pops that average people are locked out of.

I hope you and others follow in Spotify's shoes in normalizing direct IPOs.

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