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We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake video

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Re: We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake video

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Another potential use of blockchain technology. When an image is first captured, the time and a fingerprint generated from it will be recorded in a public blockchain that can't be tampered with. Then we can disregard images that don't have valid dates that match when the image was supposed to have been recorded.

"We" can, but 99.99% of the public won't.

Re: We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake video

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indie filmmakers could/would pirate actors' likenesses, the same way electronic musicians currently make bootleg remixes.

It shouldn't be any harder to create unique digital-only actors https://news.developer.nvidia.com/generating-photorealistic-... than to pirate likenesses.

Your digital star would need to work to achieve fame comparable to a real star. It's possible, but a difficult competition against the existing human social systems.

Re: We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake video

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Another potential use of blockchain technology. When an image is first captured, the time and a fingerprint generated from it will be recorded in a public blockchain that can't be tampered with. Then we can disregard images that don't have valid dates that match when the image was supposed to have been recorded.

All this will do is encourage the proliferation of innumerable bespoke blockchains, created by parties interested in stamping legitimacy on illegitimate content. Each of these blockchains will be presented as equivalent to "the blockchain" with respect to being trustworthy proofs of original untampered content timestamps.

Re: We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake video

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Are there any libraries for this available yet?

What are the solutions we will use to verify authenticity?

Will live speaking events become more valuable as a result?

Many different angles of video will probably not be of much use alone, but useful for public events. I can imagine events in which the audience is surrounding the speaker, creating difficult-to-replicate-from-multiple-angles background noise. But this is just delaying the inevitable.

Re: We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake video

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I find it amusing that we're worried about the potential of fake video/audio. Like everything would be just be fine if it weren't for that possibility. Deep fakes haven't really shown up in the wild as a significant threat and we already have large swaths of society that can't agree on the truth. Certainly fake media isn't going to help any, but folks, we're ALREADY fucked.

The Vox article is also making a nuanced point -- that memory is constructed subconsciously. So the insidious thing? Creating 100 videos with only slight political position adjustments, and thereby (even if the videos are later revealed as fakes!) shifting a voter's "gut" impression of a candidate. I'd be amazed if we don't start seeing audio & video cryptographic authentication in the next 10 years. The subject of a…

This is not a prediction but I wonder if their proliferation could stretch the subconscious Overton Window. I think that’s where the Overton Window seems to operate.

Re: We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake video

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What are people supposed to do about fake evidence when the main problem is the technological ability to detect? This isn't exactly a legal or social awareness problem.

If a video is circulating the web and people don't know if it's real, but it looks real, and experts can't affirm its fakeness, then what are people supposed to do?

Re: We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake video

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post #17

I find it amusing that we're worried about the potential of fake video/audio. Like everything would be just be fine if it weren't for that possibility. Deep fakes haven't really shown up in the wild as a significant threat and we already have large swaths of society that can't agree on the truth. Certainly fake media isn't going to help any, but folks, we're ALREADY fucked.

It can always get worse. It can always, always get worse.

Re: We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake video

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It wasn't long ago that we didn't even have video, before that we didn't even have pictures. You had the option of believing or rejecting one or more accounts. You also had the option of suspending your belief/disbelief until you felt like corroborating evidence swayed you one direction or the other. Personally speaking, I'm often surprised at how certain people are about the information they ingest. It reminds me of…

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Re: We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake video

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post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It shouldn't be any harder to create unique digital-only actors https://news.developer.nvidia.com/generating-photorealistic-... than to pirate likenesses.

Your digital star would need to work to achieve fame comparable to a real star. It's possible, but a difficult competition against the existing human social systems.

Well, Hatsune Miku[1] says hello, as do all four members of Gorillaz[2].

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatsune_Miku

[2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorillaz

Re: We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake video

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post #17

I find it amusing that we're worried about the potential of fake video/audio. Like everything would be just be fine if it weren't for that possibility. Deep fakes haven't really shown up in the wild as a significant threat and we already have large swaths of society that can't agree on the truth. Certainly fake media isn't going to help any, but folks, we're ALREADY fucked.

So is not agreeing on facts/truth The Great Filter?

Lying is as old as language. Monkeys lie to each other[0]. Lying using video isn't going to be fundamentally new.

Our ancestors have solved this problem for millions of years through context, trust and reputation systems and a bunch of other heuristics. We're in a historically unusual time where we've developed a medium of communication that's cheap to use and very expensive to fake. It's only the transition period back that's ripe for exploitation.

Deepfakes aren't that easy to make and they only do one specific thing and do it quiet poorly if your job is to actually fool people. The handful that I've seen in the news are obviously fake. This is not the general purpose video faking tool I think we're really talking about.

"The Great Filter" and the probability of alien "civilizations" or life in general are massively overstated because of a bias for imagining cool stuff. Existential threats are real, no need to bring extraterrestrials into the discussion.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c7NEf6qFlc

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