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It's just a fancy mailing list then? Minus the SMTP leg, plus privacy/consent issues and moving to a non-free storage format as well as concentrating the presence of the "thread" at one site.
The best email lore out there is saved to mailing list archives and can be linked to and shared just as easily. And mailing lists take "forwards" too.
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It was something like 'Giraffe', but rhymes with 'punt'.
Lesson I learned early in my career, luckily not on my own: never write something that you really don't want someone to see, especially bosses and clients and especially swearing. Mails are replied to, mails are forwarded, long chains of emails happen, your stuff gets out. A colleague at one of my first work places made fun of a client. 10-20 replies and forwards later, his mail was sent to a client. Luckily I think…
Before then, you would reply to points in line and trim unneeded information. The entire conversation wasn't bolted on to be ignored by 99% of people.
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"If you send me an e-mail, absent an NDA, I generally have permission to disclose it to third parties." Permission from whom? Certainly not from me.
I am surprised about this point of view. When I send mail to someone, I do it in the belief the recipient can discuss it with whomever they want, even in public. Its their mail not mine. Also helps people behave nicely over mail if this pov holds true.
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Lesson I learned early in my career, luckily not on my own: never write something that you really don't want someone to see, especially bosses and clients and especially swearing. Mails are replied to, mails are forwarded, long chains of emails happen, your stuff gets out. A colleague at one of my first work places made fun of a client. 10-20 replies and forwards later, his mail was sent to a client. Luckily I think…
This type of thing was always inevitable from the day top-posting became acceptable (and pretty much mandated by the email clients) Before then, you would reply to points in line and trim unneeded information. The entire conversation wasn't bolted on to be ignored by 99% of people.
Just don't write offensive stuff :)
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> The default must be requiring explicit permission from all participants If you send me an e-mail, absent an NDA, I generally have permission to disclose it to third parties. If FWD:Everyone required permission from all participants, they would simply fall prey to FWD:Everyone2 who didn't.
If you send me an e-mail, absent an NDA, I generally have permission to disclose it to third parties While technically true, I remember the days when publishing private messages was considered heinously rude. We didn’t need disclaimers and contracts and legalese for everything, because people - even on the Internet - behaved like decent human beings.
Before you use this service, I recommend to verify that it is legal in your jurisdiction to use this. E-mail, by default, is meant to be private (though the "private" aspect can be organization A plus customer X or organization A plus organization B or sysadmin logging the conversation and backing it up). If its meant to be public, there are mailing lists for that. And if GPG is used to encrypt the content, it for sure isn't meant to be shared!
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> - You can now anonymize any message contributor. [...] > - Permission requests are becoming optional, at least for now. Previously we required permission for all non-anonymized message contributors, now there will be an option to publish stuff immediately and let people anonymize themselves later if they want. If this is excessively abused we'll re-evaluate this, but we've tried to build things to incentivize good…
> If you want to get legal about it, as the author, the copyright is mine, not the person I send it to. Are you sure about this? I doubt that communication can be copyrighted. Once you sent me your email, it's mine, not yours. Otherwise email forwarding in general is completely illegal.
First of all, the author retains ownership of the copyright. They can freely redistribute copies of what they have written unless they're subject to an active contract limiting their use of those rights (e.g. a time-limited exclusive license -- IANAL but AIUI there is no such thing as a permanent exclusive license unless you also get perpetually reimbursed).
So if you're sent a copyrighted work by its author, you may legitimately infer that you have the right to access it but you don't have the right to republish it or make copies accessible in any commercial way (like an ad-sponsored online platform).
Additionally communications are subject to privacy laws. So you may be in violation of the author's personal rights even if you publish their e-mails non-commercially because you violate their "reasonable expectation of privacy".
This is not entirely dissimilar to the case of "revenge porn" by the way: if you send your loved one an intimate picture for private use, you can not only ask that they destroy the picture at any point but they are also prohibited from publishing it without your approval. Of course in this case the violation of personal rights also stems from the fact the photo is a depiction of the author.
But if you really need a clear example, imagine you are sent the draft of the next Game of Thrones season (or what have you) by its author. Unless you have explicit permission, you have no reason to assume you would then be allowed to go on and publish that document. Even without an NDA there's likely a "reasonable expectation" you will treat it as confidential and you'd be in violation of that by passing it on.
Note that I'm talking about my understanding of German (and likely by extension EU) laws, not necessarily American laws. I'm well aware the US has different laws and I suspect those might vary on state level too.
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> - You can now anonymize any message contributor. [...] > - Permission requests are becoming optional, at least for now. Previously we required permission for all non-anonymized message contributors, now there will be an option to publish stuff immediately and let people anonymize themselves later if they want. If this is excessively abused we'll re-evaluate this, but we've tried to build things to incentivize good…
> If you want to get legal about it, as the author, the copyright is mine, not the person I send it to. Are you sure about this? I doubt that communication can be copyrighted. Once you sent me your email, it's mine, not yours. Otherwise email forwarding in general is completely illegal.
If you're not sure whether the author of an e-mail is okay with it being forwarded, maybe try asking them? If you don't think they'd allow you to (and there's no legal reason to ignore their wishes, e.g. to submit the e-mail as evidence of harassment), maybe you shouldn't?
So basically have Twitter expand its character limit and ask everyone to replace their emails with Twitter? How cool is that? :)
That fact that it's email makes it more likely for an accidental leak of personal information.
Thanks for submitting this, I was surprised to load HN and see it here. I've been meaning to do a proper update on what we've been up to for a while, but basically things that we've done since launching: - 99%+ of non-commercial email threads now parse correctly, better than Gmail in most cases. E.g. check out the inline reply parsing here: https://www.fwdeveryone.com/t/Gb8CYKvGS6uFSXdb_hwiTA/blog-po... - We now supp…
> * Less work than blogging, way more benefits > > * Build a community around your inbox > > * Only share the emails you intend to It's just a fancy mailing list then? Minus the SMTP leg, plus privacy/consent issues and moving to a non-free storage format as well as concentrating the presence of the "thread" at one site. The best email lore out there is saved to mailing list archives and can be linked to and shared j…