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Re: Juggalos figured out how to beat facial recognition

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Post by ben_w »

ggg9990 wrote: post #11
sandworm101 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>> used among Juggalos to deter computerized facial recognition - of course we know that's not the case. Yes and no. Such levels of makeup are meant to be a mask. They are meant to at least partially obscure a person's true features or emotions. Facial recognition is having a very difficult time with women's faces under heavy makeup. Styles with strait lines or geometric shapes (right angles) really throws them off.…

It’s not surprising that facial recognition has trouble with makeup... if you’ve seen some of these photos of celebrity women with no makeup you wouldn’t recognize them in a million years.

Very surprising to me! I thought facial recognition was supposed to work on the relative size and separation of major anatomical features — eyes, nose, mouth, jawline, ears, that sort of thing.

Any such recogniser which can be fooled by the usual surface details, especially given that roughly half the adult population of rich western nations have significant social pressure to apply such decoration, it would not be fit for purpose.

That said, the examples given in the article seem rather more extreme than any conventional makup. I can easily believe this would fool an AI that scored perfectly on conventional (non subculture) western levels of makup.

Re: Juggalos figured out how to beat facial recognition

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Post by [deleted] »

tzahola wrote: post #36
yathern wrote: post #5

The title of this article seems to imply that face painting was intentionally used among Juggalos to deter computerized facial recognition - of course we know that's not the case. Though to be fair, somewhere in the history of the practice, it may be argued that it was to throw off human face-recognition. This reminds me of a sort of creative look into futuristic fashion I saw a bit ago: https://cvdazzle.com Where th…

Checked the cvdazzle site. Why do these models - and models on "high fashion" photos in general - look always like they feel deep contempt towards the viewer? Where did this trope come from? What are they trying to suggest? I don't get it.

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Re: Juggalos figured out how to beat facial recognition

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Post by tsumnia »

docker_up wrote: post #6

Once this technique becomes more widespread, get ready for laws that make it illegal to fool facial recognition, similar to wearing masks, etc.

No. It won't. We'll just get used to it. Face identification was solved decades ago. Since then, it has just been a rat race between "what about this occlusion or this one?" Train a Neural Net to do Paint to Skin replacement, or Adobe's context aware brush to remove overly gel'd hair (the cvdazzle linke).

Beards and 2010 Justin Bieber hair cuts halted face recognition 10 years ago. How do I know, because I had to manually label 10,000 frames with 200+ points because the "automatic landmarking tool" didn't put everything in the right spot.

Biometric security is, and always will be, a rat race. Once faces are handled / ruled out, they've move to the iris (30ft/10m iris extract was possible 10 years ago). After the iris (cause everyone will wear Black Mirror contacts or something), they'll move to gait analysis. My thesis was on identifying people based on the facial movements.

The point is, at some point, they're not going to "make it illegal" because it'd be improbable for everyone to adopt this cyberpunk fashion. Plus, their are enough other ways to identify someone as someone than the face that most future systems will likely be a combination of all of them using some level of confidence.

Re: Juggalos figured out how to beat facial recognition

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Post by tsumnia »

heyyyouu wrote: post #54

Face recognition technology is proving to be fairly (if not wildly) inaccurate when in the field: https://pureai.com/articles/2018/05/15/facial-recognition-st... It looks like the base photos are big issue, but of course there are other factors.

This is why a lot of research focuses on the Faces in the Wild dataset [1]

[1] http://vis-www.cs.umass.edu/lfw/

Re: Juggalos figured out how to beat facial recognition

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Post by cornholio »

kodablah wrote: post #57
cornholio wrote: post #3

Face recognition is a great example of a privacy-toxic technology thwarted by something like GDPR. As soon as you cross the line from mass recording of anonymous images to recognizing individuals, even in a public space, you require consent. The only problem is that the main users of face recognition, security agencies and government are not subject to GDPR - that needs to be restricted in a future version because to…

> Face recognition is a great example of a privacy-toxic technology thwarted by something like GDPR [...] security agencies and government are not subject to GDPR. Sounds to me like it is the opposite and implicitly condones its use by excluding those organizations. The larger the law-built divide between government rights and non-government rights becomes, the less likely any of us entrepreneurs will be able to coun…

Not sure I understand your logic. We moved from a free for all to a significantly restricted regime for personal data. There is, for the first time, a continent-wide recognition of the social value of privacy. This was achieved despite gargantuan efforts to quench it by the affected interests.

And this is a bad result because it doesn't go to the politically impossible extreme? It's a foot in the door, we have a fighting chance for an universal right to privacy. That's the only way to restrict governments and the only way to get that is to convince the general public that it'a a right worth fighting for. The GDPR is a massive step in that direction.

Re: Juggalos figured out how to beat facial recognition

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Post by kolpa »

ben_w wrote: post #81
ggg9990 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not surprising that facial recognition has trouble with makeup... if you’ve seen some of these photos of celebrity women with no makeup you wouldn’t recognize them in a million years.

Very surprising to me! I thought facial recognition was supposed to work on the relative size and separation of major anatomical features — eyes, nose, mouth, jawline, ears, that sort of thing. Any such recogniser which can be fooled by the usual surface details, especially given that roughly half the adult population of rich western nations have significant social pressure to apply such decoration, it would not be f…

It's interesting that makeup does a great job of fooling people (that's a big part of why it exists) yet such a poor job of fooling machines. It shows/reminds that machines do not see the world the wy people do.

Re: Juggalos figured out how to beat facial recognition

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Post by kolpa »

tzahola wrote: post #56
danharaj wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're trying to have a neutral face so it doesn't distract from what they're modelling.

But it's not a neutral face. It's a face of disdain and contempt. This is a neutral face: https://cdn.psychologytoday.com/sites/default/files/styles/a... And this is the face of disdain I'm talking about: https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSGkhmT...

Narrowing the eyes looks like disdain to you, but that's a side effect. Widening eyes draws attention to the eyes. Clothing models shouldn't draw attention to their eyes.

Re: Juggalos figured out how to beat facial recognition

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Post by kolpa »

jstarfish wrote: post #29
jeffreyrogers wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would imagine there is a pretty strong first amendment case against such laws in the United States. Mask laws have been successfully challenged on those grounds (though sometimes the challenges have been unsuccessful).

Your bank will likely not let you in if you're wearing a hat or sunglasses. "No shoes, no shirt, no service" has also been a thing for as long as convenience stores have been around. Not that far of a stretch to think this will ultimately extend to face paint. If you want true anonymity, just wear a motorcyle helmet everywhere. We still don't know who The Stig is.

> Your bank will likely not let you in if you're wearing a hat

I've never heard of this.

> "No shoes, no shirt"

That's health code, not appearance.

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