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Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by jlg23 »

hbaav6 wrote: post #67
anilakar wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shared blocklists are a pain. If you at one point happened to make a bad but well-intentioned pun, you ended up[1] on a blocklist meant for blocking fascists[2]. [1] https://twitter.com/wilw/status/688127971337449475 [2] https://twitter.com/wilw/status/688149812881960961

I know this conference is probably not using this particular blocklist, but why should a conference 1) use a blocklist and 2) block people just for being of particular political view?

1) To ensure that known trolls/predators do not show up.

2) Probably because consent can be enforced this way much easier than it can be created in a real discourse. Especially in Germany it is frowned up by leftists to even talk with people from the right-wing spectrum.

I get (1), but (2) makes me wonder whether we learned anything from history at all.

Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

brazzy wrote: post #76
hbaav6 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know this conference is probably not using this particular blocklist, but why should a conference 1) use a blocklist and 2) block people just for being of particular political view?

Possible answers: 1) Some political views correspond strongly with problematic behaviour that a conference would rather not deal with. 2) Virtue signaling for PR purposes.

2) would require the conference organizers to announce we've blocked this person.

Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by loup-vaillant »

ItsMe000001 wrote: post #68
jakobegger wrote: post #45

Why do you keep bugging someone when they obviously do not want you to contact them? Blocking you is a way of saying "Leave me alone!" Not replying to direct messages or emails is a way of saying "Leave me alone!" Nobody needs to explain why they want to be left alone. Maybe stop thinking about yourself, and just accept that the people behind the twitter handles just don't want you to contact them anymore for whateve…

What you say is true if it was a private person. This is about a conference that seems to be important professionally to that person. They even replied to him - why not just say WHY and get it over with once and for all? This is just stupid, not (just) unprofessional. If they could at least point to "we already told you, now get lost" - but never giving a reason... it's not like they could be sued (first, Europe, sec…

I bet the reason for the ban wasn't even recorded.

Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by goldenkey »

sparkling wrote: post #65

This type of drama is why i don't attend conferences anymore. It is a social minefield.

DefCon and HOPE usually have an assortment of real solid talks, a few 0-days, and new maker products to mess around with or buy. Plus there are plenty of people who actually know their shit. I don't think you'll get the same kind of entertainment from a bunch of coders who solely do JS. But yeah, something about mass audience, technology, and a detached culture makes these conferences more watery every next decade. Still worth it at least for now but I acknowledge your point.

Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by hbaav6 »

jlg23 wrote: post #81
hbaav6 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know this conference is probably not using this particular blocklist, but why should a conference 1) use a blocklist and 2) block people just for being of particular political view?

1) To ensure that known trolls/predators do not show up. 2) Probably because consent can be enforced this way much easier than it can be created in a real discourse. Especially in Germany it is frowned up by leftists to even talk with people from the right-wing spectrum. I get (1), but (2) makes me wonder whether we learned anything from history at all.

How does using a Twitter blocklist achieve 1)?

Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by hbaav6 »

tomp wrote: post #52
hbaav6 wrote: post #41

At some point you offended the wrong person, they added you to one of those shared blocklists, and that's all, you're banned forever. Who's to blame? I'd say you, for caring. This is the way politics works now, and some software projects have, for some reason, joined the politics battle. By caring you're giving them weight. Just flip them off, tell them to go fuck themselves, and keep thinking the way you do. It's no…

I don’t know about you, but I’m quite happy he publicised this (=gave attention). Now I know what conference to avoid!

It's good he publicised this but the length of the post and how hard he tried to get a response leads me to think he cares. He should not care about petty, deranged people.

Re: Blocked by JSConf.eu Twitter account

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Post by tpush »

BonoboIO wrote: post #58
jakobegger wrote: post #45

Why do you keep bugging someone when they obviously do not want you to contact them? Blocking you is a way of saying "Leave me alone!" Not replying to direct messages or emails is a way of saying "Leave me alone!" Nobody needs to explain why they want to be left alone. Maybe stop thinking about yourself, and just accept that the people behind the twitter handles just don't want you to contact them anymore for whateve…

I think this is not a private or personal thing, this just unprofessional handling of an yet unclear situation. Like beeing conficted without a trial (of course this is just a business relationship between him and the conference). Imagine that Hacker News would ban your account jakobegger, no explanation, no way to get informations why or what you did wrong. Would you just accept this as just "leave me alone"?

> Imagine that Hacker News would ban your account jakobegger, no explanation, no way to get informations why or what you did wrong. Would you just accept this as just "leave me alone"?

I mean, they literally do this in the from of shadow banning.

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