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E-Cigarette Maker Juul Labs Is Raising $1.2B

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Re: E-Cigarette Maker Juul Labs Is Raising $1.2B

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Post by awakeasleep »

wtvanhest wrote: post #7
gringoDan wrote: post #3

I wonder how good it is for public health if Juul is able to grow this market. Do the health benefits from cigarette smokers switching to e-cigarettes offset the young people who never would have dreamt of smoking cigarettes heavily, but regularly use Juul? I had no idea how pervasive Juul was for college students until my sister told me that multiple people were "Juul-ing" in all of her classes. Highly recommend thi…

Absolutely not good for public health long-term. Their recruiter reached out to me last December and it was a hard no for me based on what I understood about the industry. People use them for starting to smoke just as much as stopping and they are also heavily used for non-nicotine products as well. I don't hold any moral judgements on the brand, or customers, but I was not going to spend my effort helping that becom…

Tobacco kills 7 MILLION PEOPLE A YEAR

You confused your personal morality, which seems more based on "would this rule benefit everyone applied universally" with the question you were asked, which is of the "does this provide the greatest good to the greatest amount of people" variety.

It's _possible_ that in the end, ecigs are not a net positive for humanity. But that is a belief without firm proof. They could be twice as addictive, but if they kill only 1/3 of us that cigs did, they'll be a net benefit. And 1/3 the lethality of cigarettes seems to be a drastic overestimation of their harm from the evidence we have right now.

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Post by trentlott »

EpicEng wrote: post #45
TimTheTinker wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a great article, and rather eye-opening. Juul may help cigarette smokers get away from tobacco, but wow — stories about teens and young adults taking Juul hits every 10-15 minutes are something else. That’s just plain addiction, taking them far beyond the threshold of diminishing returns, even for caffeine-like self-medication. There’s definitely a lot of money in creating addictions... this can’t be a long-te…

And when I was in school half the kids smoked cigarrettes. I have no idea what the numbers are, but you have to consider that fewer kids are using tobacco, which is a good thing.

Well, it depends.

As far as I remember, the vehicle is propylene glycol. It isn't biologically inert, and I'm not sure how much work has been done to study buildup within the lungs or combustion products. Combine that with dodgy sourcing allowing metal contamination.

It seems more or less the definition of trading the devil you know for one you don't.

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Post by bfuller »

slg wrote: post #35
varjag wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Methadone is safer than heroin and is widely used in substitution therapy. Either way, the bulk of health damage from smoking was from the complimentary products of burning. You ain't getting lung cancer from nicotine.

I am not aware of any doctors that would recommend using methadone permanently and and it is only legally available to be prescribed for ongoing substitution therapy by federally certified abuse recovery centers. So my analogy still stands. No one should be actively campaigning to grow the methadone market the way that people are for e-cigarettes.

You'd be wrong. Opiate maintenance with suboxone or methadone is often understood to be a lifelong thing.

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Post by bfuller »

s73v3r_ wrote: post #63
lstodd wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you assume they wouldn't have started smoking in absence of vape?

Higher amounts of them are starting to vape than the rates of smoking would predict.

I'll take you at your word (a source would be nice) but I fail to see how that is a bad thing.

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Post by pssflops »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #11
gringoDan wrote: post #3

I wonder how good it is for public health if Juul is able to grow this market. Do the health benefits from cigarette smokers switching to e-cigarettes offset the young people who never would have dreamt of smoking cigarettes heavily, but regularly use Juul? I had no idea how pervasive Juul was for college students until my sister told me that multiple people were "Juul-ing" in all of her classes. Highly recommend thi…

That’s a great article, and rather eye-opening. Juul may help cigarette smokers get away from tobacco, but wow — stories about teens and young adults taking Juul hits every 10-15 minutes are something else. That’s just plain addiction, taking them far beyond the threshold of diminishing returns, even for caffeine-like self-medication. There’s definitely a lot of money in creating addictions... this can’t be a long-te…

My younger brother, over 18, is rather fond of his Juul and I don't quite understand why. My parents smoked while raising my sister and I, which I believe contributed to our fascination and addiction to cigarettes; but they had quit long before having him. I've worked my way off but after seeing what vaping has done to my brother from what appears to be social (peer) pressure, I'm not certain if it has provided any net benefit to this point.

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Post by hazz99 »

Jonovono wrote: post #76
wycs wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is startlingly little evidence that pure doses of nicotine are harmful without smoke.

Everyone in here is caught up in the physical harm of smoking. Celebrating moving from cigarettes to eCigs. I'll admit that's important. But for me, most of the harm cigarettes have (and also eCigs) is not how bad is it on your physical health.

Legitimate question - if most of the harm of eCigs is not on your physical health, what is it?

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Post by hazz99 »

magissima wrote: post #10
gringoDan wrote: post #3

I wonder how good it is for public health if Juul is able to grow this market. Do the health benefits from cigarette smokers switching to e-cigarettes offset the young people who never would have dreamt of smoking cigarettes heavily, but regularly use Juul? I had no idea how pervasive Juul was for college students until my sister told me that multiple people were "Juul-ing" in all of her classes. Highly recommend thi…

High schools too, it's amazing how many kids use juul. I think a lot of them aren't even aware it's nicotine.

Is nicotine bad for you? I thought it was just what made cigarettes addictive, and all the other stuff is what made them unhealthy. Happy to be proved wrong -- I'll let some eCig friends know ;)

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Post by justin »

Jonovono wrote: post #76
wycs wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is startlingly little evidence that pure doses of nicotine are harmful without smoke.

Everyone in here is caught up in the physical harm of smoking. Celebrating moving from cigarettes to eCigs. I'll admit that's important. But for me, most of the harm cigarettes have (and also eCigs) is not how bad is it on your physical health.

What is it?

Re: E-Cigarette Maker Juul Labs Is Raising $1.2B

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Post by senoroink »

simonebrunozzi wrote: post #6

Very dubious about the long term health effects of e-cigarettes. Unfortunately, a startup can move much faster than proper regulation. I hope I'm wrong.

Stuff You Should Know recently put out a podcast vaping [1] that provided some insight on the subject. The conclusion was that better than cigarettes slightly worse than doing nothing.

* [1] - https://www.stuffyoushouldknow.com/podcasts/is-vaping-really...

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