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Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by Gargoyle »

xexers wrote: post #68
amyjess wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem wasn't that she was a coworker. It was that she was a subordinate. Nobody cares if two engineers hook up, but it's a Very Bad Thing if your boss starts putting the moves on you. Relationships where one person holds real-world power over another are prone to exploitation and violation of consent.

> it's a Very Bad Thing It's happened probably 10s of thousands of times in the past few decades... and some of those couples are now happily married. I personally know of a boss who married his secretary and a professor who married a student. I think the words "Very Bad Thing" are a little excessive. It's risky behavior.

See Bill and Melinda Gates, for one example.

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by TwoNineA »

code4tee wrote: post #12

A board doesn’t fire its CEO because they went on a few dates with someone a while back—even if that’s against company policy. Getting the popcorn out to see how this unfolds...

10nm chips are delayed again. AMD is back on desktop and server.

Those should be good enough reasons.

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by ben509 »

YorkshireSeason wrote: post #54
dokein wrote: post #19

So obviously relationships are bad when there's a power dynamic, and between different management levels is a common subset of this. However it feels like many people are spending more and more time at work, and it also seems cruel to say: "you cannot get to know anyone romantically during 50-75% of your waking day."

So obviously relationships are bad when there's a power dynamic, In what sense is this obvious? And according to which substantial notion of power?

I'm more wondering, when is there not a power dynamic?

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by fastball »

fareesh wrote: post #73
YorkshireSeason wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So obviously relationships are bad when there's a power dynamic, In what sense is this obvious? And according to which substantial notion of power?

From what I have understood of this topic: If the relationship continues, the power could be used to favour the subordinate over other subordinates (give them good reviews, etc). If the relationship ends poorly, the power could be used to spite the subordinate over other subordinates (give them poor reviews, etc).

Right, so the it's an issue only if the power dynamic is abused. The power imbalance itself is not intrinsically going to cause problems.

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by ben509 »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #75
tfha wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I never understood this either. Does that mean a bachelor US president can't date a US citizen? Yes, power can be abused. But anyone with a knife at home can abuse that knife by stabbing someone. That doesn't make it wrong to own a knife.

>That doesn't make it wrong to own a knife. There exist a subset of people in the UK (and in other places but the a subset of the UK subset is particularly vocal and influential) who believe the opposite with varying degrees of passion and with various exceptions carved out. Edit: Pun not intended but I like it so I'm keeping it there.

> ... and with various exceptions carved out.

ISWYDT.

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by tfha »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #18
sbinthree wrote: post #5

There is no way you would fire a CEO you actually wanted in place because they had a consensual relationship with a subordinate in the past . Why are US companies always so aggressive about moralising these issues? No one would take issue if he carried a gun at work. Why is it that corporate morals rule?

A relationship between a manager and someone they manage compromises the effectiveness of both the manager and the team. As CEO, he is everyone's boss, so having a consensual relationship with anyone involved in the organisation is a bad thing. If she got promoted, would it be because of her work, or her relationship with the boss? If she didn't get promoted, would it be because of her attitude, or her relationship w…

You can ask those same questions about any attractive person or any person with powerful family members. Does that mean we can't employ those people either?

Of course not. If a manager runs a tight ship and treats their team fairly, then there shouldn't be anything wrong with a relationship. If as a manager you can't properly separate your emotions and friendships from your management duties, you aren't going to make a good manager anyway. The manager who is going to unfairly promote the person they are seeing is also going to unfairly promote the worker who they are best friends with over the worker who best deserves the promotion.

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by jgh »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #75
tfha wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I never understood this either. Does that mean a bachelor US president can't date a US citizen? Yes, power can be abused. But anyone with a knife at home can abuse that knife by stabbing someone. That doesn't make it wrong to own a knife.

>That doesn't make it wrong to own a knife. There exist a subset of people in the UK (and in other places but the a subset of the UK subset is particularly vocal and influential) who believe the opposite with varying degrees of passion and with various exceptions carved out. Edit: Pun not intended but I like it so I'm keeping it there.

There are already restrictions on knives like switchblades, butterfly knives, bowie knives, stilettos, etc.

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by coldtea »

michaelt wrote: post #56
dokein wrote: post #19

So obviously relationships are bad when there's a power dynamic, and between different management levels is a common subset of this. However it feels like many people are spending more and more time at work, and it also seems cruel to say: "you cannot get to know anyone romantically during 50-75% of your waking day."

I think the CEO's $19.1 million salary is adequate compensation for the fact his seniority stops him pursuing romantic relationships at work. If it's not, maybe he should have chosen a different job.

Who said it's about the money? The same rule would also hold for a janitor, and they wont have the "compensation".

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by jrs95 »

walshemj wrote: post #35
mythz wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something strange is happening in Intel land, Brian Krzanich recently sold off the majority of his Intel stock, only retaining the minimum number allowable: http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/04/technology/business/brian-kr...

Probably saw this coming and wanted to convert stock into cash to avoid ay small print about stock clawbacks.

Would that qualify as insider trading? Seems like Zuck did a similar thing recently before Facebooks most recent privacy scandal

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

sbinthree wrote: post #5

There is no way you would fire a CEO you actually wanted in place because they had a consensual relationship with a subordinate in the past . Why are US companies always so aggressive about moralising these issues? No one would take issue if he carried a gun at work. Why is it that corporate morals rule?

It is pretty scandalous. If it ever became public, the board would look really bad, so even if they didn’t want to fire him they probably had little choice but to.
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