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Facebook confirms that it tracks mouse movements

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Re: Facebook confirms that it tracks mouse movements

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I have a network meter on my xfce taskbar, and it shows uploads and downloads whenever I move my cursor on a website I view with a JS enabled browser. It's almost all of them.

Correlation doesn't imply causation. (You can always open the browser inspector and check network traffic for each page or, if you are using Chrome, dive into chrome://net-internals/ )

Yes, certainly. But I don't have background programs that connect randomly, and I have observed this enough times that I can say this.

Re: Facebook confirms that it tracks mouse movements

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I'm not surprised. Honestly, I stopped trusting them years ago, so pretty much all the words out of their mouths I consider to be BS. I'm not even sure why people apologize for creepy-ass multi-billion dollar companies that treat their users like products and study them like labrats. I'm looking forward to technical solutions to verifiably disable and prevent this kind of tracking. To those talking about "tracking UI…

I am not affiliated with Facebook myself; I barely use it, but given how big it is I bet they do user studies in addition to metrics collection. Metrics alone leave out important parts of the human element, but user studies alone are a biased sample.

Re: Facebook confirms that it tracks mouse movements

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This is beyond absurd. Why would you do that? What could go wrong? Is this a social network or spy agency?

Lots of websites you would not expect do this; it's not for spying on users but to improve the user experience. Being able to aggregate data or inspect individual sessions is a useful tool to learn how users navigate with a site. Keyboard keystrokes get captured too but the systems are intelligent enough to filter out passwords and payment details. I don't really like this form of monitoring either but I've seen it i…

There are some posts from Princeton on password and CC leaks for trackers such as this, e.g.

https://freedom-to-tinker.com/2017/11/15/no-boundaries-exfil...

Re: Facebook confirms that it tracks mouse movements

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I have always assumed that Facebook uses heat maps to track what is under your pointer. Doesn't every serious site do that to gauge user behavior, interest and interface utilization? I guess the difference is FB is putting it in an available data set along with everything else about consumers' individual lives. More interesting is "a patent held by the company states that the Facebook app uses voice recognition algor…

Perhaps a noob question but doesn't the browser ask for permission to use the microphone? And hence: they can't really listen in if you haven't given it explicitly.

If you attempted to record a video once with the Facebook app, it then has the microphone permissions forever.

Re: Facebook confirms that it tracks mouse movements

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I have always assumed that Facebook uses heat maps to track what is under your pointer. Doesn't every serious site do that to gauge user behavior, interest and interface utilization? I guess the difference is FB is putting it in an available data set along with everything else about consumers' individual lives. More interesting is "a patent held by the company states that the Facebook app uses voice recognition algor…

Like heat mapping a visual UI, there are a lot of people out there recording audio.

However, I think that I disagree with you on whether or not sharing the data is important. If you are heat mapping me, like facebook and probably everyone else from Microsoft to CNN and FoxNews does, or you are recording me like everyone from Facebook to Samsung does, I'm sorry, I've got a problem with it. I don't care if you don't share that data. I don't want Samsung recording what's going on in my living room. Doesn't matter if the data isn't shared. It's just the principle of the thing.

It's gotten to the point where I actually purchased a certain model of Sony TV, because the teardown verified that there is no microphone in it. Then I tossed the remote control and got a generic remote with no voice control.

People joke about me being paranoid, but I'm not paranoid. Sheez... I'm old and boring, I know that no one cares about what's going on in my house or on my computers.

I'm just stubborn.

Why let the privacy invaders win?

Re: Facebook confirms that it tracks mouse movements

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"Facebook confirms it receives your IP address!!!" We need a new science of hysterias. The internet provides ample data for robust analysis and prediction. Any takers?

Seriously. The hysteria is getting a bit stale that this is what people are now being outraged about? We've been using CrazyEgg, or any other number of different mouse and scroll tracking tools for ages.

"But Facebook is using it to signal advertising!"

Well. Everything you do on Facebook is used to signal advertising. I thought we were kind of all aware that was what happens with this free service. /shrug

Re: Facebook confirms that it tracks mouse movements

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> Facebook said that it tracks mouse movements to help its algorithm distinguish between humans and bots. Stupid cat and mouse game. How difficult would it be for a bot to simulate a human's mouse movements? I suppose not very difficult. Also, doesn't this conflict with rare types of input devices? Or people with a motor function disability? > to also determine if the window is foregrounded or backgrounded Shouldn't…

> How difficult would it be for a bot to simulate a human's mouse movements? I suppose not very difficult.

I also suppose not very difficult in principle (imitate any nearby human's movements and Facebook should not complain), but it is not within the focus of a general bot developer and therefore makes the whole project exponentially more difficult.

Re: Facebook confirms that it tracks mouse movements

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I have always assumed that Facebook uses heat maps to track what is under your pointer. Doesn't every serious site do that to gauge user behavior, interest and interface utilization? I guess the difference is FB is putting it in an available data set along with everything else about consumers' individual lives. More interesting is "a patent held by the company states that the Facebook app uses voice recognition algor…

Perhaps a noob question but doesn't the browser ask for permission to use the microphone? And hence: they can't really listen in if you haven't given it explicitly.

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