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Re: Amazon EKS – Now Generally Available

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Post by yebyen »

cube2222 wrote: post #77
yebyen wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Google GKE offering can operate with a single g1-small worker. That's $0.0257/hr or $0.0070/hr preemptible. $5/mo minimum* This is not even the same ballpark. *(to be fair, the $5/mo minimum does not include a private network and a load balancer, and you will almost definitely need both in order to actually do anything with a cluster.)

You can set up the nginx controller with NodePorts to get rid of the load balancer if it's just a side-project cluster. (Otherwise load balancers will be the majority of your cost)

Thanks for that!

Re: Amazon EKS – Now Generally Available

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Post by zzzcpan »

user5994461 wrote: post #78
yebyen wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty clearly in the minority with my opinion here, and I recognize that. Amazon has made a substantial investment in Kubernetes here and that is nothing to shrug at. They are entitled (and justified) to recoup it. It's fair to say that K8S is not for lightweights, too. AWS provides a fairly generous free tier and they are also justified to extract some payment from every user of their services that derives some…

You're not in the minority. It's well understood that there are amateurs trying to use the expensive clouds and shave off every penny, while the main customers are enterprise customers who couldn't notice a thousand dollars more or less. It's just pointless for small users to argue about AWS costs. The service is not meant for them and it cannot fulfill their requirements.

I believe the whole kubernetes is designed with the assumption that you are an enterprise customer.

Re: Amazon EKS – Now Generally Available

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Post by TheIronYuppie »

puzzle wrote: post #68
alpb wrote: post #54

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Google Kubernetes Engine has announced general availability (GA) of "free" highly-available (HA) control plane support yesterday. You can read more here: https://cloudplatform.googleblog.com/2018/06/Regional-cluste... disclaimer: I work at Google.

Isn't it funny how Google announces free GKE stuff the day before EKS was announced AND made generally available? :-) Like Jobs issuing a press release that the App Store had hit 3B downloads the morning of the Nexus One launch.

I would agree with you, but no one (honestly) knew when EKS was being announced at GA, including customers we talked to. I think this was just a coincidence.

Disclosure: I work at Google.

Re: Amazon EKS – Now Generally Available

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Post by yebyen »

puzzle wrote: post #68
alpb wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google Kubernetes Engine has announced general availability (GA) of "free" highly-available (HA) control plane support yesterday. You can read more here: https://cloudplatform.googleblog.com/2018/06/Regional-cluste... disclaimer: I work at Google.

Isn't it funny how Google announces free GKE stuff the day before EKS was announced AND made generally available? :-) Like Jobs issuing a press release that the App Store had hit 3B downloads the morning of the Nexus One launch.

I'd speculate that Google did it on purpose the first time (everyone knew there had to be an announcement coming, and the date of re:Invent was well known in advance.)

Given what some are saying in this thread here today, I would not be the least bit surprised to learn that Google's announcement this time actually forced Amazon's hand, and that the folks on this afternoon's Amazon's twitch stream actually found out yesterday that they'd be making the announcement today.

(Sure, I'd be speculating, but fight me.)

Re: Amazon EKS – Now Generally Available

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Post by thockingoog »

yebyen wrote: post #69
yebyen wrote: post #31

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That's $150/mo before you even launch a single worker tho. I don't know about you, but I'd personally rather pay the $5 if I don't need a serious cluster yet. How much in actual absolute dollars do you think this is going to cost you, just in order to figure out exactly how it works, and what other AWS widgets you'll also need to pay for in order to use it effectively? I am a human, basically looking for a stepping s…

I'm pretty clearly in the minority with my opinion here, and I recognize that. Amazon has made a substantial investment in Kubernetes here and that is nothing to shrug at. They are entitled (and justified) to recoup it. It's fair to say that K8S is not for lightweights, too. AWS provides a fairly generous free tier and they are also justified to extract some payment from every user of their services that derives some…

I serve a couple small websites from a very very small GKE cluster that costs well under $100/month. I don't worry about OS updates or Kubernetes upgrades. I don't worry about it going down.

I don't think my needs are that unique.

Re: Amazon EKS – Now Generally Available

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Post by jrs95 »

darren0 wrote: post #80
ksajadi wrote: post #62

I find Amazon’s attitude towards the whole Kubernetes lukewarm at best. It seems they really wanted ECS to be the killer container service on AWS but when k8s took over the mindshare they reluctantly added Fargate and EKS at slow speed and with an underwhelming product. We worked with both AWS container solutions and GKE and find GKE far superior. We had to build Skycap as deployment solution for our applications on…

Amazon is extremely data driven. If their attitude is lukewarm at best then you might consider the market is lukewarm at best. People take for granted that the value of k8s has been proven. It has not. The value of containerizing your application is clear and has been realized over and over again. The jury is still out on k8s.

Do you have any actual data related to this claim or am I just supposed to assume that it's true by inferring things from Amazon's cloud offerings?

Edit: Sorry for the aggressive tone, I overreacted a bit because it seems like every single day there's someone pushing an anti-Kubernetes agenda on HN. Often they don't even use it, they just glanced at the docs and said "it's too complicated", or something.

Clearly, this isn’t you since you’re the cofounder of Rancher.

Re: Amazon EKS – Now Generally Available

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Post by user5994461 »

yebyen wrote: post #79
user5994461 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're not in the minority. It's well understood that there are amateurs trying to use the expensive clouds and shave off every penny, while the main customers are enterprise customers who couldn't notice a thousand dollars more or less. It's just pointless for small users to argue about AWS costs. The service is not meant for them and it cannot fulfill their requirements.

You're obviously no slouch, and I respect your opinion, but I think Amazon is all about the long tail and without speculating too much about what they are thinking, I'll say they might disagree. They are obviously smart to go for the big money dollars first, but everything I know about "Long Tail" says you're wrong. I absolutely agree with everything you said, if you only added "at this time" to the end of that last…

What long tail do you mean? I would say the small tech companies with tens of developers and tens of servers are the long tail for AWS.

The service is too expensive and too complicated to be used by very small companies or individual users. There are also more appropriate competitors in that space.

Re: Amazon EKS – Now Generally Available

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Post by user5994461 »

darren0 wrote: post #80
ksajadi wrote: post #62

I find Amazon’s attitude towards the whole Kubernetes lukewarm at best. It seems they really wanted ECS to be the killer container service on AWS but when k8s took over the mindshare they reluctantly added Fargate and EKS at slow speed and with an underwhelming product. We worked with both AWS container solutions and GKE and find GKE far superior. We had to build Skycap as deployment solution for our applications on…

Amazon is extremely data driven. If their attitude is lukewarm at best then you might consider the market is lukewarm at best. People take for granted that the value of k8s has been proven. It has not. The value of containerizing your application is clear and has been realized over and over again. The jury is still out on k8s.

>>> The value of containerizing your application is clear and has been realized over and over again. The jury is still out on k8s.

The value of containerizing applications is negligible if there isn't the orchestration to go with it.

Re: Amazon EKS – Now Generally Available

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Post by yebyen »

user5994461 wrote: post #87
yebyen wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're obviously no slouch, and I respect your opinion, but I think Amazon is all about the long tail and without speculating too much about what they are thinking, I'll say they might disagree. They are obviously smart to go for the big money dollars first, but everything I know about "Long Tail" says you're wrong. I absolutely agree with everything you said, if you only added "at this time" to the end of that last…

What long tail do you mean? I would say the small tech companies with tens of developers and tens of servers are the long tail for AWS. The service is too expensive and too complicated to be used by very small companies or individual users. There are also more appropriate competitors in that space.

You told me you thought I'm not in the minority, and others have come forward to agree. I think we are the long tail.

It is exactly as you say, companies that don't want to spend more than they absolutely need to on infrastructure. Shaving pennies to save money. We are each too small to make any significant money on us, taken individually. That's what makes us the long tail.

Do you think in 6 months, you will be able to get a non-HA Kubernetes master on Amazon's free tier? Almost surely within 12 months. At that time, they will have addressed the long tail. Today's announcement is not for us. It's for large enterprise customers that settled on Kubernetes (and 57% of Kubernetes is already on AWS, so many of them are likely not new customers.) We're both right, from opposite perspectives.

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