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Vermont will cover $10K of expenses for people who move there and work remotely

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Re: Vermont will cover $10K of expenses for people who move there and work remotely

#81

Looks up tax rates for Vermont No thanks.

If you are looking for warmer I would suggest Carrollton, GA, Montgomery, AL or Chattanooga, TN. AL has the second lowest property taxes in the USA and while not 2015 Detroit cheap it does have 2018 Detroit cheap housing prices.

Unfortunately all of these places are in the south.

Re: Vermont will cover $10K of expenses for people who move there and work remotely

#82
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Lots of hills and low population density. I bet it is hard to get good internet in Vermont. Universal access to broadband would matter more than anything else.

It's easy if you live quite close to: Burlington, Rutland, Barre, Montpelier, Winooski, St. Albans and otherwise a matter of luck. Those are the top six cities by population, and the top two put together are about the same as my suburb of Boston. St. Albans is about 30 minutes from Burlington and an hour and a bit from Montreal; you can get access to culture and technology, but you'll need to drive.

There's certainly quite a few other areas with decent internet, at least if you are in the main "town" area. Bennington, WRJ + Norwich come to mind as other examples I can think of.

But yes, if you are in a random small town or rural area the odds aren't great for decent internet. (For that matter, that even applies to cell phone service, lots of dead zones in VT).

Re: Vermont will cover $10K of expenses for people who move there and work remotely

#83

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Fall and Summer are really great! Winter sucks unless you are into skiing.

I have skied in Vermont, don't do that, it's just white ice, any fall can be dangerous.

Joke always was if you can ski on the east coast, you can ski anywhere.

Re: Vermont will cover $10K of expenses for people who move there and work remotely

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With skiing in the east an industry in rough shape since it doesn't snow anymore, and agriculture in a slow death spiral, Vermont is trying to embrace it's potential as a bedroom community for NYC and Boston. Burlington is a cool little city and the countryside is beautiful as well. If they can use a small program like this to stimulate some cadre of "pioneers", they'll get alot of value, and perhaps some improved ou…

I hadn't heard that there has been a decline in snowfall, it's pretty stark in the Pacific West: https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indica...

I live in Upstate NY. We get snowfall, but after the storm blows out, it gets warm. This January/February, I cleared my roof of snow wearing shorts, and the temp was around 65-70.

Re: Vermont will cover $10K of expenses for people who move there and work remotely

#85

For many, this won't even begin to offset the increase in income and property taxes from this notoriously high-tax state. Individual or business, you're likely to pay more. http://money.cnn.com/gallery/smallbusiness/2012/10/15/state-... >>The income tax has a top rate of 8.95%. This ranks as the sixth-highest in the U.S., although it only applies to taxpayers making over $413,350 per year. Meanwhile, total state and…

> notoriously high-tax state Some societies think that it is wise to spend on some things such as education (see https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2015/06/02/the-... ). Others think that lowering taxes at whatever cost is better. The former fits with my thinking, which is why I like it here.

It depends heavily on how the money is spent, Illinois spends half the education budget on funding pensions alone [1].

89% of all education budget increases went straight to pension funding, with only 11% to the classroom. They already spend far more than other midwest states, with outcomes that lag behind Montana, Minnesota, and other frugal states.

So while I agree that education spending is critical to our future, money alone is not the magic wand.

[1] https://www.illinoispolicy.org/reports/pensions-vs-schools/

Re: Vermont will cover $10K of expenses for people who move there and work remotely

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Not (as much, see below) anymore. That was specifically removed by the recent tax overhaul The more cynical view is that this was done on purpose to harm blue states that tend to have higher state income taxes

> The more cynical view is that this was done on purpose to harm blue states that tend to have higher state income taxes this could very well be true, but it does seem unfair in the first place to be able to deduct state income tax. it's great that some states have decided to increase their income taxes to offer more services to their citizens, but why should tax payers in other states have to subsidize them without…

While I benefited from that deduction, it never seemed fair that that the rest of the country had to kick in a tiny bit extra to give upper middle and above taxpayers a break.

Re: Vermont will cover $10K of expenses for people who move there and work remotely

#87
Remote workers are the golden goose for local governments. Working from home means they aren't commuting, so no increased peak demands on roads or transit. And they are all 20-somethings who don't need healthcare nor have school-age children. Like crypto-mining, remote workers sit quietly in their rooms. Feed them electricity and internet and they generate tax dollars. It's all a myth. Such people do not exist.

Re: Vermont will cover $10K of expenses for people who move there and work remotely

#88

This sounds more like a publicity stunt than an actual attempt at solving the problem. Having said that: I've been to Vermont in the Fall, and it. is. stunning.

Having grown up in the Northwest and lived on the West Coast my whole life, I think my expectations of how beautiful the Northeast would be was a bit skewed by media/popular culture.

I really enjoyed my first trip to to Boston/Portland/Acadia, but TBH, the more rural areas felt a lot more like a Disneyland version of nature curated for tourists from the "big city". It didn't live up to the hype, which I think is targeted at people who have lived in the hyper-dense-and-flat Boston/DC/NYC area and nowhere else.

I'm really not trying to dump on the area, it was quite nice, I'm just saying no more so than most rural places I'm used to. Of the whole trip, frankly, Portland was my favorite. It felt "just right" in terms of size and culture.

Re: Vermont will cover $10K of expenses for people who move there and work remotely

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Yes, I was surprised by this: > Vermont has budgeted grants for about 100 new remote workers in the first three years of the program and about 20 additional workers per year for every year after. Vermont lost 10,000 working-age residents over the past five years.[1] This plan will (in theory) recover just ~1% of that. Maybe they're monitoring reactions to this announcement before they put more money into the program?…

With skiing in the east an industry in rough shape since it doesn't snow anymore, and agriculture in a slow death spiral, Vermont is trying to embrace it's potential as a bedroom community for NYC and Boston. Burlington is a cool little city and the countryside is beautiful as well. If they can use a small program like this to stimulate some cadre of "pioneers", they'll get alot of value, and perhaps some improved ou…

Well, they should quit pissing off hard-working gun owners who reside there! Those feel-good laws they just passed have angered a lot of people, all to play up to the usual loud voices who are wrong/misguided about public policy.

Re: Vermont will cover $10K of expenses for people who move there and work remotely

#90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not (as much, see below) anymore. That was specifically removed by the recent tax overhaul The more cynical view is that this was done on purpose to harm blue states that tend to have higher state income taxes

> The more cynical view is that this was done on purpose to harm blue states that tend to have higher state income taxes this could very well be true, but it does seem unfair in the first place to be able to deduct state income tax. it's great that some states have decided to increase their income taxes to offer more services to their citizens, but why should tax payers in other states have to subsidize them without…

Generally those states pay more than they receive in federal funds.
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