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How technology has redefined the job of the repo man

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Re: How technology has redefined the job of the repo man

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On a societal level, we externalize most of the costs associated with auto crashes. I suspect that if we better rolled the true cost of injuries into the cost of car ownership (say, by increasing the minimum liability insurance to the cost of several statistical lives) the cheapest cars to own would be small and fairly new.

> say, by increasing the minimum liability insurance to the cost of several statistical lives I still remember arguing with some people on the internet about how irrelevant what insurance someone bought was if you got hit by them. After all, you'd have to get into quite the accident to exceed the liability limits on car insurance. I was so sure I was right. Then they introduced me to the idea you can drive in the US…

>I was so sure I was right. Then they introduced me to the idea you can drive in the US with insurance that wouldn't even cover the costs of a new medium sized sedan.

Yup. I mean, obviously, many people would not be able to afford reasonable levels of insurance, so instead of subsidizing public transit, or even directly subsidizing auto insurance or something, instead we leave it so that the costs of accidents are borne by victims who are unlucky enough to be hit by people who are carrying minimum driving insurance.

This means that if you are a responsible driver, you not only carry substantial liability insurance, in case you hurt someone else, but you also carry substantial 'uninsured motorist' coverage, which covers you in case someone who has minimum insurance hurts you.

Because of this, the cost of insurance varies radically; from almost nothing to rather more than the cost of a new compact car. And it scales, usually, with income, which is fine, really, but I think the way we do it (by throwing people who can't afford that rather expensive 'uninsured motorist' coverage or people who are hit outside their cars under the bus) is pretty messed up.

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I honestly don’t get why anyone goes in to debt to buy a car in this day and age. You can buy a car (or truck) for $3000 that will last several years without requiring any huge mechanic bills or exotic maintenance - heck, I’ve done it. I would much rather take the bus/bike/walk and save up $500/mo for 6 months to be a free man than buy or lease a car for $500/mo and be a space to my creditors. Besides, hoopties can b…

You have an interesting concept of being a "free man". Debt is a tool, not a form of enslavement. For example, many people who could pay cash for a car take a loan instead, because they know they will have more money at the end of the loan term if they invest their cash, or because taking the loan will cost them less money than cashing out some investments and paying capital gains taxes. You can get car loans these d…

>All I would get if I buy a $3k car is unnecessary suffering and inconvenience, and significantly higher risk of death in an accident, that wouldn't amount to much savings in hindsight.

Perhaps so, but at some point one does see diminishing returns on getting a newer vehicle.

$3K these days won't get a hassle-free car, but $6K perhaps would.

How does one get safety statistics? I thought that any car made, say, in 2010 wouldn't come with a significantly higher risk of death compared to the same model made today.

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> say, by increasing the minimum liability insurance to the cost of several statistical lives I still remember arguing with some people on the internet about how irrelevant what insurance someone bought was if you got hit by them. After all, you'd have to get into quite the accident to exceed the liability limits on car insurance. I was so sure I was right. Then they introduced me to the idea you can drive in the US…

>I was so sure I was right. Then they introduced me to the idea you can drive in the US with insurance that wouldn't even cover the costs of a new medium sized sedan. Yup. I mean, obviously, many people would not be able to afford reasonable levels of insurance, so instead of subsidizing public transit, or even directly subsidizing auto insurance or something, instead we leave it so that the costs of accidents are bo…

On the contrary, uninsured motorist insurance in the US is very inexpensive. $76 per year for half a million dollars coverage is typical (current quote from Geico).

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As Michael Hastings well knows. >Hastings, an acclaimed war correspondent and vocal critic of government mass surveillance, died in the early hours of Tuesday, June 18, 2013, when his Mercedes C250 Coupe apparently lost control and burst into flames before slamming into a palm tree. >Witnesses to the accident, which occurred around 4:25am in the leafy Hancock Park neighbourhood of Los Angeles, said the car appeared t…

If one has that sort of enemy, one should drive a manual transmission.

It has been argued that pretty much all cars have brakes that are more powerful than the engine, and thus there ought to be no way for a car to truly run away.

On the other hand, it has been claimed, and seems reasonable, that in some cases, applying the brakes moderately against a car running at full throttle leads them to overheat and fail, and then there's no way to stop.

I feel like a manual transmission could be a safety device in another way - if you can pass the threshold of shifting for yourself, it may limit how impaired, by drugs/alcohol or dementia etc, you can be while still driving.

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> DRN sells the information to insurance companies, private investigators ... I wonder if anyone in the insurance industry could comment on how this data is used by them.

Not in the insurance industry, but as someone who is aware of how they price risk: the zip code you park in at night heavily influences loss rates (and therefore premiums) and self-reports of it are not always accurate.

Different types of insurance price comprehensive in radically different ways. I was considering getting classic car insurance from a different company than my regular insurance. They heavily penalize you if you park in the city, and especially without an individual locked garage. That kind of makes sense, but my regular insurance penalizes you if you park somewhere other than you live, even if it's in a low-crime suburb and not exposed. They are fine with parking in the middle of the city. So the optimal strategy depends on which insurance you go with because they have very different prejudices.

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>I was so sure I was right. Then they introduced me to the idea you can drive in the US with insurance that wouldn't even cover the costs of a new medium sized sedan. Yup. I mean, obviously, many people would not be able to afford reasonable levels of insurance, so instead of subsidizing public transit, or even directly subsidizing auto insurance or something, instead we leave it so that the costs of accidents are bo…

On the contrary, uninsured motorist insurance in the US is very inexpensive. $76 per year for half a million dollars coverage is typical (current quote from Geico).

Except that the very idea is astonishing when compared to the legal minimum insurance which sits at around 1 million dollars in the UK iirc.

I suspect that the main difference is that we are happier conceptually to say "you cannot afford insurance = you cannot drive". Driving without insurance is, of course, a crime. People still do it, and insurers will cover accidents involving the uninsured - but because it's less common the feature is basically just included by defualt in most fully comp policies

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On the contrary, uninsured motorist insurance in the US is very inexpensive. $76 per year for half a million dollars coverage is typical (current quote from Geico).

Except that the very idea is astonishing when compared to the legal minimum insurance which sits at around 1 million dollars in the UK iirc. I suspect that the main difference is that we are happier conceptually to say "you cannot afford insurance = you cannot drive". Driving without insurance is, of course, a crime. People still do it, and insurers will cover accidents involving the uninsured - but because it's less…

It's easy to exaggerate the differences between the UK and the US, merely because the US is a bit unfamiliar. When there is a small cost for something that exists in both countries, it is not an earth shattering difference for it to be paid from taxes in the one case and part of the insurance premium in the other.

To wit, uninsured motorist coverage is provided by the government in the UK, from what I read:

"The Motor Insurers' Bureau (MIB) compensates the victims of road accidents caused by uninsured and untraced motorists."

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_insurance

You can get $1 million in liability insurance in the US, and people do. It's not unaffordable, and while it is a pre-requisite to the uninsured coverage mentioned previously, it can be purchased alone.

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