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Re: Tesla reviewing contractors, firing everyone not vouched for by an employee

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Having driven Fords, GMs and a Tesla, I'd say GM isn't international standard either, but Ford is definitely.

In terms of driving experience, most Ford cars I've driven (Contour, Focus, and Taurus, probably all from early 2000s; they are probably better now) handle like boats; turning radius comparable to an oil tanker, unresponsive brakes and gas, etc. So there are tradeoffs among all makes and models within those makes.

Do you expect a Ford from 15+ years ago to perform like a car built today that costs 3x as much?

Re: Tesla reviewing contractors, firing everyone not vouched for by an employee

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> I'd argue that something is seriously wrong if you can't get at least one employee to vouch for you. The corollary to that is that if you get to the point where you need to check on the vouchsafety of all your contractors - en masse - something is seriously wrong with your company.

I think Elon was pretty clear that he considers the situation to be seriously wrong, hence the extreme approach. It's a refreshing attitude; this sort of problem is common in most large companies.

Everything Elon says or does is "refreshing" around here.

The contractor situation is so out of control at Tesla that they have to do an absurd mass-firing and people describe that as "refreshing". Literally friends and peers have to justify their jobs or hit the streets. We are officially in bizarro world.

What happened to being the global leader in auto manufacturing efficiency?

Re: Tesla reviewing contractors, firing everyone not vouched for by an employee

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see, I think there is a big cultural difference. Like, I always had that attitude as an employee, but I think that as an employee, it holds me back. I think the key is that as an employee, you are expected to act in the interest of the company in ways that are different from what you are expected to do as a contractor. My perception and experience is that as a contractor, I'm supposed to do what you tell me to do. If…

> My perception is that as an employee you are expected more to act in the best interest of the company. As an employee, if you object to something your boss is really on board with, you can expect to be fired. It is, in general, a career limiting move to tell anyone above you that what they're asking you to do is stupid. Maybe if you're a God-tier management consultant, you can propose changes and expect to have the…

I've only ever worked with a boss like that for two weeks. Since then I know the signs.

Re: Tesla reviewing contractors, firing everyone not vouched for by an employee

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Being a hard ass CEO isn't sexy, but it's what so many successful CEO's are. > Often, it is like a Russian nesting doll of contractor, subcontractor, sub-subcontractor, etc. before you finally find someone doing actual work. I'd also argue that these multi-level contractor setups are a major security concern. Ideally they should make it policy to have no more than one additional level between Tesla and the contractor…

It really makes me wonder: Isn't using contractors super inefficient? Why do companies, when they could do it in house, use them?

It can be helpful to view in-house employees as workstations and contractors as AWS. Employees can take more time to find, train, and manage while contractors can be hired (and fired) rather quickly.

Re: Tesla reviewing contractors, firing everyone not vouched for by an employee

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All the things you mentioned are design decisions not build quality related.

Weeelll... given that a modern car is a complex dynamic system I would presume it's not to trivial to state where exactly design constraints concerning build quality end and dynamics and handling start. For the end user they both affect the 'feel' of the product - how it behaves on the detail level when in use. "I have a door I have a hard time closing" and "the dynamics feel a bit clumsy" deal with totally different…

> it's not to trivial to state where exactly design constraints concerning build quality end and dynamics and handling start

Maybe I'm being overly simplistic here but I'd say if the finished product doesn't match the design then it's a build quality issue, whereas if it does match the design and it's still crap then that's a design issue.

Arguably if they end product doesn't match the design because the design isn't feasible to manufacture then that would also be a design issue.

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Weeelll... given that a modern car is a complex dynamic system I would presume it's not to trivial to state where exactly design constraints concerning build quality end and dynamics and handling start. For the end user they both affect the 'feel' of the product - how it behaves on the detail level when in use. "I have a door I have a hard time closing" and "the dynamics feel a bit clumsy" deal with totally different…

> it's not to trivial to state where exactly design constraints concerning build quality end and dynamics and handling start Maybe I'm being overly simplistic here but I'd say if the finished product doesn't match the design then it's a build quality issue, whereas if it does match the design and it's still crap then that's a design issue. Arguably if they end product doesn't match the design because the design isn't…

Unless the design is limited by build quality issues. The AK-47 is perhaps the most famous example, but most designs are a back and forth around the manufacturing process.

Re: Tesla reviewing contractors, firing everyone not vouched for by an employee

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The bigger concern I have is that it encourages extreme nepotism — people vouch for people from their schools and prior jobs, and so risks introducing systemic bias against people from different backgrounds. Obviously gender and race are heavily represented in this kind of thing, but even basic stuff like west coast vs east university nonsense can start happening.

It sounds to me like you are mixing the concepts of trust, accountability, tribalism and pathological cronyism.

Personal vouching for other people generally is the best guarantee for performance in absence of better criteria.

Trust is not a bad thing.

Trust does not alone degrade accountability. But you need to have a second accountability mechanism in place. Trust, but observe is the classical zen guidance into holding accountability within a group.

Then the group dynamics kick in - tribalism and pathological cronyism.

Exclusive clubs are a typical organization principle in the human species and they increase efficiency within the group by increasing trust and improving the quality of communication through larger shared background. Tribalism alone is not a problem to members within the group.

To agents external to the specific group tribalism may manifest in many negative ways, of course, but it is totally context sensitive if it's a problem or not in the general sense. Many elite organizations, for example, exhibit highly tribal behavior.

Then we get to the black sheep of the lot, pathological cronyism. I think we all can agree without further explanations why it's bad, but, the prerequisites for the pathological cronyism are many of the same kind as needed for the positive patterns exhibited in human socities, including trust and tribalism.

The thing that keeps everything from collapsing into a self-satisfied old boys network is accountability.

But using trust - instead of, say, bureaucracy - as one of the key ingredients of a company culture sounds to me totally great.

Re: Tesla reviewing contractors, firing everyone not vouched for by an employee

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> Often, it is like a Russian nesting doll of contractor, subcontractor, sub-subcontractor, etc. before you finally find someone doing actual work. This means a lot of middle-managers adding cost but not doing anything obviously useful.

who would not like to cut down mess like this?

Re: Tesla reviewing contractors, firing everyone not vouched for by an employee

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I wonder if this is to protect ip. I know of one self-driving startup in which the founder recently had his wife get an internship with Tesla's self-driving team. I'm sure there is a big risk of ip theft or just learning other things that can give a competitive advantage.
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