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Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Post by x0x0 »

downandout wrote: post #74
x0x0 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

nope, try again. FB doesn't get to use the data unless it's consented by the end user. It is distinctly not GDPR compliant for FB to claim that their TOS requires consent so it's not their problem. Feel free to read the discussion about co-controllers (called as joint controllers) and particularly the A29WG guidance.

Again, under your (incorrect) interpretation of the GDPR, what exactly do you envision? That each page you load have 40 different consent dialogs show up - one for each tracker and external image that is on the page? Some have hundreds.

Yes, this is (finally) correct.

For each external tracker, you will have to consent that use. By name. Per discussions you can find via google, even naming a well-defined class of 3rd party controllers is not enough; they have to be individually named.

This is the impact on adtech. See eg https://pagefair.com/blog/2018/granular-gdpr-consent/ . Or digiday, which is not exactly anti-adtech. https://digiday.com/media/gdpr-will-change-facebook-ad-targe... .

The fact that some page may have hundreds of co-controllers is immaterial, unless you envision "we don't want to" as a defense to the privacy regulators.

Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Post by MandieD »

julioneander wrote: post #52
jmngomes wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Won't ublock [1] solve that by blocking that kind of scripts from loading? [1] https://www.ublock.org/

I recommend Privacy Badger, sponsored by the EFF, which is supposed to block trackers. I prefer it over Ghostery, which is backed by some company. uBlock Origin is great for blocking Ads though. If you really need to block scripts, there's NoScript. I recommend using at least the adblocker and the tracker blocker, even if only to reduce memory usage of the browser and take back a couple of CPU cycles from your comput…

uBlock Origin + Privacy Badger are my combo of choice. They play nicely together, and are easy enough to deal with that my non-web-savvy father-in-law surfs comfortably with them. Privacy Badger's most glaring weakness is that it takes a new install of the plugin awhile to learn that Facebook, fbcdn, etc are up to no good, but once it catches on, it’s great.

Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Post by lolc »

I think a lot of lawyers are poring over provision 42 of GDPR these days:

"(42) Where processing is based on the data subject's consent, the controller should be able to demonstrate that the data subject has given consent to the processing operation. [...] For consent to be informed, the data subject should be aware at least of the identity of the controller and the purposes of the processing for which the personal data are intended. Consent should not be regarded as freely given if the data subject has no genuine or free choice or is unable to refuse or withdraw consent without detriment."

Are people free to leave Facebook?

Me, I need an account with Google for my job. Will they now only be allowed to demand I consent to the parts of the data processing necessary to provide the services I use? Or in other words, since I don't rely on their advertising, does GDPR mandate that opt-in to tracking for ads must be optional?

Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Post by vm »

gowld wrote: post #45
craftyguy wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article isn't "Independent to ask everyone to accept being tracked".

bottom of the page says: > We use cookies to enhance your visit to our site and to bring you advertisements that might interest you. Read our Privacy and Cookie Policies to find out more.

Ironically, the FB opt-in approach from the article is more privacy-forward than the publisher's automatically implied consent...

Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Post by drewmol »

matty22 wrote: post #28
drb91 wrote: post #13

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uBlock Origin makes the ads go away pretty well. I'm also open to paying.

Does uBlock Origin actually have any effect on ads or sponsored posts in Facebook? I run ABP and there are still ads all over the place in Facebook. I've taken to reporting every ad I see in my Timeline as spam.

Ive heard but can't confirm that ABP sells the ability for ad servers to be white listed. Ublock + enabling various lists is better. Check out Umatrix.

Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Post by Silhouette »

ntoeiusn43stot wrote: post #76
freehunter wrote: post #53

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At least the way my multi-national employer is interpreting it, under GDPR you can't get away with "click here if you agree with our privacy policy". You have to explicitly say everything that is tracked, everything that is stored, how long, and why it is required for use. If it's not required for use, you can't ask for it and you can't store it unless the person explicitly says yes. If they say no, you have to let t…

> If they say no, you have to let them use it anyway, without the tracking and without the storing. This is the part I'm most excited about. (Or would be if I lived in the EU.) I'll be very interested to see how that works out. I'd love to see something like that in the US.

I have to wonder whether at some point the EU is going to become so aggressive that the big US tech firms really do start calling their bluff. Stronger legal privacy protections may be long overdue in our modern, online world, but that particular measure is transparently aimed at undermining entire business models that have supported services evidently valuable to literally billions of people around the world, and that may be a bridge too far.

If the likes of Facebook and Google all turned off their services across the EU for a day, and replaced them with a SOPA-blackout-style message explaining that they can't afford to continue providing services without the ad model that pays for them, a lot of people would notice, and the EU probably wouldn't get nearly as easy a ride afterwards. I don't know how much damage would be caused if those same big tech firms cut off EU citizens permanently, but for better or worse, very many people now rely on the likes of Facebook and Google Mail for their everyday lives, and I'm betting the damage would be worse to the EU citizens than it would be to Facebook's and Google's financial statements (assuming the alternative is that they continue to operate but with a heavily damaged business model).

Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Post by garmaine »

lolc wrote: post #83

I think a lot of lawyers are poring over provision 42 of GDPR these days: "(42) Where processing is based on the data subject's consent, the controller should be able to demonstrate that the data subject has given consent to the processing operation. [...] For consent to be informed, the data subject should be aware at least of the identity of the controller and the purposes of the processing for which the personal d…

You can delete your account, yes.

Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Post by confounded »

bhhaskin wrote: post #77
craftyguy wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article isn't "Independent to ask everyone to accept being tracked".

No, but how can you trust a source if they are doing the exact same thing? They are a bit hypocritical.

The entire text-media industry has been transformed by Facebook and Google into this state. Anything that used to be a newspaper is now a DFP content-farm with all the shitty third-party js they can manage to cram in there. Sites with paid subscriptions seem just as bad on the inside.

The only other business model I’ve seen work is “be owned by a billionaire”.

Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Post by edoloughlin »

johnny313 wrote: post #8

This does not discuss whether nonusers will be asked to opt-in. Curious how GDPR will change tracking people w/out FB accounts.

This does not discuss whether nonusers will be asked to opt-in. Curious how GDPR will change tracking people w/out FB accounts.

IANAL. The only argument I'm aware of that data controllers can make for processing data without consent is if there is a legitimate interest: if the data controller needs to process the data in fulfillment of a contract/service. I wonder how this will play out for non-users. It would seem there's no legitimate interest there.

Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Post by bhhaskin »

confounded wrote: post #88
bhhaskin wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, but how can you trust a source if they are doing the exact same thing? They are a bit hypocritical.

The entire text-media industry has been transformed by Facebook and Google into this state. Anything that used to be a newspaper is now a DFP content-farm with all the shitty third-party js they can manage to cram in there. Sites with paid subscriptions seem just as bad on the inside. The only other business model I’ve seen work is “be owned by a billionaire”.

I totally agree with you. I edited my original comment to hopefully make it a little bit clear.
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