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Re: Coinbase acquires Earn.com

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Originally 21 produced hardware, which I imagine is a much more expensive industry to be in. That may have something to do with it.

Their hardware device was stupid though. A headless linux server combined with some shitty bitcoin mining hardware and software. It served no purpose. It was 100% obvious that it was DOA. I can't even believe that the people at the company thought it was a good idea.

Okay. Doesn't mean it wasn't expensive to try

Re: Coinbase acquires Earn.com

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It's what's known as a mid-brow dismissal. The average HN commenter feels a gratifying sensation of intelligence when they point out that "a blockchain is just a database". They can feel that they are debunking a con with their razor-like intelligence, like Neo, escaping from the matrix.

The "blockchain is just a database" critique is an application of Conway's Law ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_law ). The basic critique is: the problem being solved with the overwhelming majority of blockchain tech seems to be a political, not a technical problem. It's a critique that says the issue with this thing you are fixing isn't actually that the data layer doesn't match the existing political stru…

> The blockchain allows for us the same effect as "running our own email servers," and most of us really don't think it's likely that people are going to want to host their own nodes in the blockchain

The way I see it, one of the big assumptions of the technologies in this space is that participants are only acting out of self-interest. Meaning, that there's a strong push towards designing systems where behaviours that are beneficial to the network are also economically rewarding.

Meaning that in theory, cryptoeconomics could be seen as an attempt at finding a solution to the problem you mention.

Re: Coinbase acquires Earn.com

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Originally 21 produced hardware, which I imagine is a much more expensive industry to be in. That may have something to do with it.

Their hardware device was stupid though. A headless linux server combined with some shitty bitcoin mining hardware and software. It served no purpose. It was 100% obvious that it was DOA. I can't even believe that the people at the company thought it was a good idea.

Compared to Theranos that is stellar performance for a fraction of the investment.

Re: Coinbase acquires Earn.com

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Cryptocurrencies right now are at the point where there has been lots of hype for years now but very little actual use (it's mostly just for speculation right now). I'm just burned out of the hype around it without it really delivering on a large scale.

Especially when you have things like this https://www.ibm.com/blockchain/ Buzz buzz.

The video on the IBM blockchain site is one of the most generic, non-descriptive product videos I think I ever saw! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRgWvJ6eTiY

Re: Coinbase acquires Earn.com

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I signed up for earn.com with the expectation that anyone wanting to message me would have to pay first. Then they sent me spam from ICOs without paying me. Worse than useless. Their previous hardware mining ASIC product was also poorly thought out and ultimately a colossal waste of money. I'm thinking the people claiming that there are other motives behind this deal are probably right.

Is it possible that spammers could spam their registration servers checking which emails had been already used? E.g. get a list of all the public emails off of github commits, then cross reference them with Earn.com registrations.

Re: Coinbase acquires Earn.com

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I’ve checked NuCypher’s homepage and I find a bit strange to have that much emphasis on the blockchain on your homepage and at the same time only 5 occurrences of the word "blockchain" in your 21-pages whitepaper. Am I missing something?

Two things: 1) The whitepaper describes the nature of our network and how Alice and Bob use it. It does not describe (and isn't meant to describe) node operation except as Alice and Bob need to understand it. We'll have an additional node operation whitepaper that describes the smart contracts in more detail. We - and I know this may sound strange - decided to build our cryptography and network first and foremost rat…

Thank you for the clarification. Re 2), I didn’t read the whitepaper in full but rather grep’d "blockchain" to understand how you used it.

Re: Coinbase acquires Earn.com

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I thought earn.com (formerly 21.co) was a clever idea and I signed up. Once or twice a quarter I would get an item incoming and I'd usually read and/or fill out a survey. Lately it's frequent noise from ICOs (though perhaps I deserve it because I recall opting in to a cryptocoin interest group on earn.com).

There is nothing interesting coming out of cryptocurrency space other than ICO spam

No, there is a lot of original research on decentralized systems and consensus happening thanks to cryptocurrencies. It's just surprisingly hidden compared to ML research and other popular buzzword areas. Maybe the noise from scammy ICOs drowns it, I don't know, but if you're a researcher or developer interested in decentralized systems then you definitely can't complain about lack of innovation.

Re: Coinbase acquires Earn.com

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I signed up for earn.com with the expectation that anyone wanting to message me would have to pay first. Then they sent me spam from ICOs without paying me. Worse than useless. Their previous hardware mining ASIC product was also poorly thought out and ultimately a colossal waste of money. I'm thinking the people claiming that there are other motives behind this deal are probably right.

Looking at their home page, they say, "Paid email is already one of the first truly useful applications of the blockchain."

Does that make any sense? If I wanted to set up paid email, how does a blockchain help? It seems technically unnecessary.

And if I really wanted user adoption, why woulnd't I just pay people in their local currency instead of trying to get them to take part in something much less directly useful to them?

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It's what's known as a mid-brow dismissal. The average HN commenter feels a gratifying sensation of intelligence when they point out that "a blockchain is just a database". They can feel that they are debunking a con with their razor-like intelligence, like Neo, escaping from the matrix.

How is your comment not a mid-brow dismissal? There are so many projects that promised the world and did not deliver, as well as so many projects that ended up being outright scams, that it's not surprising that when someone says "but what about Blockchain X, Blockchain Y and Blockchain Z projects?", we all roll our eyes and think "I'll believe it when I see it." It's not as if any blockchain project has provided a l…

Ethereum is still essentially in its "live demo" phase. The release of dApps and user-friendly-ish products in the blockchain space has had about 2 years of traction. Your application of skepticism is appropriate, the burden of proof is on the developers to show the value of these projects, but it typically takes a decade or so for disintermediating technology to reach the point of ready adoption. We are in the single prop plane phase not too far from kitty hawk.

Re: Coinbase acquires Earn.com

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The "blockchain is just a database" critique is an application of Conway's Law ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_law ). The basic critique is: the problem being solved with the overwhelming majority of blockchain tech seems to be a political, not a technical problem. It's a critique that says the issue with this thing you are fixing isn't actually that the data layer doesn't match the existing political stru…

> The blockchain allows for us the same effect as "running our own email servers," and most of us really don't think it's likely that people are going to want to host their own nodes in the blockchain The way I see it, one of the big assumptions of the technologies in this space is that participants are only acting out of self-interest. Meaning, that there's a strong push towards designing systems where behaviours th…

I'm saying the technology is derivative of the economics and politics of our culture, and it is unlikely that this relationship will invert itself. Tons of political science and economic thought has gone into designing systems where behaviors that are beneficial to the network are also economically rewarding, you're basically describing market economics. Nothing about cryptocurrency is novel from a political or economic theory standpoint.
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