I’m not going to do anything you can do. Better?
because i have no budget to compete with these giants yet.!
OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”
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Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
Okay, that's good to know. However, I had a quick glance at Hetzner (an OVH competitor), and it looks to be using esoteric design. I was thinking about using Hetzner, but I dread it may be like OVH. Anyone with first-hand experience with Hetzner?
YMMV but I've had a very pleasant experience with Hetzner. On the same level as many US DC's when it comes to server and account management.
Switched to Hetzner from ovh a few years ago. No problems with either provider.
Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”
#83We run 1K node ClickHouse cluster on top of OVH. In BigQuery, we had a latency of 10-50s per query and it was costing us 400K per month. ClickHouse costs us 100K per month, all deployed on OVH. 100-200ms query latency.
Why $400k for BigQuery? It has flat-rate billing starting at 40k/month for unlimited queries.
Also your other comment mentioned 50TB across 1000 Clickhouse nodes, why so little data per node?
Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”
#84Important notes about OVH: -I'm a customer for about ~2 years. -I was "just" using OVH object storage, and was considering other OVH services. -I'm all about "cheap,cheap,cheap" -OVH is super-cheap, which is good. -I want OVH to "win". OVH doesn't want to "win". Because.. -OVH is super-confusing. Interface, website, billing, everything. -website uses esoteric design conventions. A European thing? I don't know. -feels…
Maybe the obfuscation saves them in support budget. If you are persistent enough to go through the confusing interface you are also persistent enough to solve problems yourself.
Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”
#85Important notes about OVH: -I'm a customer for about ~2 years. -I was "just" using OVH object storage, and was considering other OVH services. -I'm all about "cheap,cheap,cheap" -OVH is super-cheap, which is good. -I want OVH to "win". OVH doesn't want to "win". Because.. -OVH is super-confusing. Interface, website, billing, everything. -website uses esoteric design conventions. A European thing? I don't know. -feels…
The only time I login to their website is when I have to use their KVM - once or twice a year at the most.
Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
AWS bandwidth costs are obscene. They compete on price so well on most other fronts, but for some reason they just completely overcharge on bandwidth. It makes using them without a CDN cost prohibitive and drives a lot of use cases away from them.
What's the best cdn right now? Cloudfront is just expensive as hell.
Alright, I'll go through the list.
* Cloudfront would be great for the North America and Europe they only charged for the bandwidth (those prices are reasonable), but charging for the HTTP request (and the huge premium on HTTPS). The bandwidth prices outside of those areas are absolutely awful though.
* Akamai makes Cloudfront look cheap.
* Cloudflare has ethical concerns that keep me away from them.
* Fastly is susceptible to DDoS's against the origin in some interesting ways.
* Limelight was great but then Goldman Sachs bought and destroyed them.
* EdgeCast was by far my favorite, but then they got bought by Verizon. Assuming Verizon hasn't fucked it up then they're definitely worth checking out, as their reporting tools were amazing and their performance was literally the best (my information is a few years out of date though on this one).
* If you want to serve people in China you will need to pay a China based (government owned) CDN or your traffic will get blocked for no reason once you get large enough. Conveniently enough one of their sales people will reach out to you about a day or two before the block goes into effect.
* MaxCDN isn't bad, but I haven't seen their higher tier prices (above 25TB) so I can't comment on that. Their South America and Asia coverage is pretty bad though- nothing in India, only one datacenter in Brazil for all of South America (with another being built, but also in Brazil), no Africa, no Middle East. If you're starting english only this isn't the worst, but eventually you'll need to go to a multiple CDN solution for broad coverage.
Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”
#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
Okay, that's good to know. However, I had a quick glance at Hetzner (an OVH competitor), and it looks to be using esoteric design. I was thinking about using Hetzner, but I dread it may be like OVH. Anyone with first-hand experience with Hetzner?
What do you mean by "esoteric design"?!
Design that does not follow "standard" conventions. Don't make me define "standard"!
Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”
#88Important notes about OVH: -I'm a customer for about ~2 years. -I was "just" using OVH object storage, and was considering other OVH services. -I'm all about "cheap,cheap,cheap" -OVH is super-cheap, which is good. -I want OVH to "win". OVH doesn't want to "win". Because.. -OVH is super-confusing. Interface, website, billing, everything. -website uses esoteric design conventions. A European thing? I don't know. -feels…
Most of these GUI differences came during OVH's huge expansion around 2014. At that point they split into several "business lines" (kimsufi/so you start/ovh dedicated/ovh cloud...) that operate mostly independently, and hence the separate logins and interfaces. I'm not saying that it isn't a mess, because it is, but at least there's an explanation. Also, part of the bad interface design seems due to them building pub…
We share this experience. We received a faulty server. It happens with all providers. The problem was we were not able to get it repaired in a one month timeframe. Support suggested getting refund.
We switched all other services from them pretty instantly. It would not be an option if one of our production servers had a failure and we could not get repair procedure quickly handled. We are willing to pay for this privilege.
BTW - we were their customer for 6 years. It worked smoothly and there were no problems with their service on running machines.
Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”
#89I run https://wtfismyip.com on OVH. Egress bandwidth exceeds 8TB a month, which on AWS could cost ~$1000/month, not including the cost of the beefy EC2 instance I would need. For some bandwidth heavy use cases, OVH makes a lot more sense than AWS. In my case it was $150/month versus $2000/month (bandwidth + EC2).
We run a chunk on OVH too. It is over 100X cheaper than AWS. We have had some issues though. OVH had two major outages in the last two years. Our strategy has been to build a more robust distributed architecture and use these issues to be "antifragile," which improves our product while as still saving money. Over time I expect OVH to become more solid as they mature.
You should get some boxes from other EU vendors as well. Don't put all your eggs in the same basket. Unless your work load is very unpredictable I don't see why people use AWS, "serverless" and platform lockin.
Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's the best cdn right now? Cloudfront is just expensive as hell.
I would have said MaxCDN, but they recently got "acquired" by StackPath, so who knows what direction that's going.
They were acquired in July of 2016, so about 20 months ago. It seems to be more of a merger than an acquisition, and both brands have stayed separate but share expertise and data centers. It honestly seemed like a good way for both of them to expand their footprint while also reducing overhead.