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Re: Au Revoir

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Post by ineedasername »

geofft wrote: post #53
hartator wrote: post #23

It always amazes me how you can convince a founder/CEO is not right man for the job, and slowly push him away. Companies that succeed are driven by burning vision, not by day-to-day operation people. It might make feel the companies run smoother for some time, but day-to-day executives are harmful to a company core vision leading to boring companies if they manage to sustain profitability in the long run at all.

> Companies that succeed are driven by burning vision, not by day-to-day operation people. What is the evidence for this? We can throw anecdotes like Apple on one side and Unilever on the other, sure, but is there any study saying e.g. "Of these 100 promising companies founded in 1990, x% of the founder-led ones were successful by 2010 whereas y% of the outside-CEO-led ones were?" Making a bold claim like "Companies…

Also, the vast majority of startups do not lack for drive & vision, but most will fail. Vision may be necessary for a new company, but it certainly isn't sufficient.

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Post by jwildeboer »

hartator wrote: post #23

It always amazes me how you can convince a founder/CEO is not right man for the job, and slowly push him away. Companies that succeed are driven by burning vision, not by day-to-day operation people. It might make feel the companies run smoother for some time, but day-to-day executives are harmful to a company core vision leading to boring companies if they manage to sustain profitability in the long run at all.

Disagree. Counter example: Red Hat (disclaimer: I’m at Red Hat since almost 13 years).

Founded by realistic visionaries (Bob Young and Mark Ewing). Bob was smart enough to bring in Matthew Szulik, who gave Red Hat structure and growth. And Matthew was smart enough to hand over to Jim Whitehurst.

Red Hat is nowadays a smooth running company with 64 quarters of growth, with a portfolio that goes far beyond Linux.

Execution is key. Having passionate employees a must.

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Post by paulie_a »

hartator wrote: post #23

It always amazes me how you can convince a founder/CEO is not right man for the job, and slowly push him away. Companies that succeed are driven by burning vision, not by day-to-day operation people. It might make feel the companies run smoother for some time, but day-to-day executives are harmful to a company core vision leading to boring companies if they manage to sustain profitability in the long run at all.

I vehemently disagree, burning vision is wasted when you don't focus on the day to day.

The day to day is what actually leads to revenue and hopefully actual profits. You can only burn vc money for so long until you actually have to show some sort of return.

Re: Au Revoir

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Post by borncrusader »

I hope it's not the case of enterprise bullying. I still believe Docker has the potential to grow into a much larger enterprise company if only it can navigate through the treacherous waters.

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Post by LaGrange »

geofft wrote: post #53
hartator wrote: post #23

It always amazes me how you can convince a founder/CEO is not right man for the job, and slowly push him away. Companies that succeed are driven by burning vision, not by day-to-day operation people. It might make feel the companies run smoother for some time, but day-to-day executives are harmful to a company core vision leading to boring companies if they manage to sustain profitability in the long run at all.

> Companies that succeed are driven by burning vision, not by day-to-day operation people. What is the evidence for this? We can throw anecdotes like Apple on one side and Unilever on the other, sure, but is there any study saying e.g. "Of these 100 promising companies founded in 1990, x% of the founder-led ones were successful by 2010 whereas y% of the outside-CEO-led ones were?" Making a bold claim like "Companies…

> What is the evidence for this?

GP's burning vision, of course.

I once had my vision burn so hard my landlord charged me for the floor paneling.

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Post by lallysingh »

throwaway84742 wrote: post #25
jf wrote: post #10

I was able to get the page to load, here's the text of thet post: "Today I’m announcing my departure from Docker, the company I helped create ten years ago and have been building ever since. A founder’s departure is usually seen as a dramatic event. Sadly, I must report that reality is far less exciting in this case. I’ve had many roles at Docker over the years, and today I have a new, final one – as an active board…

Having read this I wonder what really went down. I get that his shares are fully vested, but personally I would not walk away from such a role at a company with this kind of growth and mind share.

Why? He has the money and the product does what he wants. If the community he's help build around the product is in good shape, why do anything else?

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Post by BjoernKW »

markbnj wrote: post #54
peterwwillis wrote: post #43

I think their blog being hugged to death is a good example of how this technology (read: web backend tech in general, not containers) is still too complicated for people in general to use it for simple cases, like scaling the load of otherwise static content. (It's wordpress, but still) We need solutions that require less resources and smaller learning curves.

I don't know how their blog is hosted but wordpress in general is very chatty with the database backend, and I really don't think the site getting crushed by HN is indicative of fundamental issues with container technology. If it is then there is a long list of technologies that HN has exposed fundamental issues with by crushing their content sites :).

WordPress works very well with high loads if you use proper caching (via WP Super Cache, for instance) so the database doesn’t get hit for every page hit.

You don’t need containers or in fact anything fancy for that.

With WordPress in particular containers make some maintenance and scalability issues more difficult to deal with.

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Post by zenlikethat »

seanp2k2 wrote: post #75
peterwwillis wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh I'm not pointing at container technology. I'm talking web backend technology in general. I mean this is 2018. No well known company's blog on AWS should ever go down at all, unless the AWS service in the region is down. The fact that it's down is not a Docker failure or a Wordpress failure or a Database failure, as there are widely known methods to scale all these things. The problem is that putting the puzzle tog…

Static site generators are an infinitely better choice for making actual blogs. Wordpress has evolved into a CMS similar to Drupal or Joomla with all the available plugins. You can make it into a store or a wiki or basically anything, but you probably shouldn’t. Wordpress was really cool back in the PHP5 days, but Moveable Type and other “old school” static CMS generators always scaled better. Today with node and the…

Try getting 5+ marketing people to learn git and GitHub sometime and let me know how it goes.
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