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The IRS collects data on Coinbase account holders

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Re: The IRS collects data on Coinbase account holders

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You're either trolling, or just being completely naive not to fear the IRS. If there is ANY agency you should fear, it's the Internal Revenue Service. They have infinite resources, and it might take a while, but they will get their money in the end.

If you declare taxes, you have very little to fear. If you use potential loopholes, be aware you might need to consult a tax lawyer and go to court. But again, if you are aware of this, aside from your final legal bill, you have nothing to fear.

That's the whole point of this discussion. People aren't declaring their crypto gains.

Re: The IRS collects data on Coinbase account holders

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post #56

Could the IRS do me a solid and send me what the capital gains on my crypto currency are? I'll pay the taxes--I just don't want to have to calculate the taxes. I know, I know. Intuit and H&R Block refuse to allow that to happen, but if we could stop prioritizing entrenched industries, that'd be really nice.

I'll calculate my own taxes thank you very much. If big brother doesn't agree, then I'll show my work and sources. Otherwise, the less they know the better.

Re: The IRS collects data on Coinbase account holders

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post #77
post #56

Could the IRS do me a solid and send me what the capital gains on my crypto currency are? I'll pay the taxes--I just don't want to have to calculate the taxes. I know, I know. Intuit and H&R Block refuse to allow that to happen, but if we could stop prioritizing entrenched industries, that'd be really nice.

It's not just Intuit and H&R Block. A lot of us small business owners don't want the IRS knowing every detail of our businesses in order to just magically send us a pre-filled return each year. The current tax system places responsibility on you, the investor, to tabulate all of your gains and losses, but it also gives you the freedom to invest in complex and unusual transactions like coins in the first place. Don't…

That sounds like you're arguing that you want the ability to continue avoiding taxes by not letting the IRS know the whole truth. That's fine, but if I have to pick one entity to extract money from me id rather it go to the government which at least has a tiny chance of benefiting me rather than going to a private company who has no reason to do anything to benefit me

Re: The IRS collects data on Coinbase account holders

#84
post #40

My only concern is that I bought Bitcoin for a friend because he had trouble setting his account up. Now that tax time is coming up, this has me worried that I'll get singled out because what I claim doesn't match my account. He's filing for his portion of things, so it should all work out in the end, but I don't want to be audited to have to explain that.

I am not a lawyer or cpa but it sounds like a similar case when someone may have invested in bitcoin and immediately realized they were over extended. So they decided to reduce their position for a small transaction fee. Unfortunately this was enough to make the trade a small loss and ultimately I don’t know many people who pay taxes on losses.

Am I missing something? You pay taxes on gains, not losses.

Re: The IRS collects data on Coinbase account holders

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What would happen if someone was to lose access to their wallets? Would they still have to pay taxes? If my memory serves me right, close to 4 million bitcoins are missing.

Regardless of whether you lose them you pay taxes when you make a taxable transaction, being either exchanging FIAT to crypto or crypto to a different crypto.

If you itemize deductions, and the loss is large enough, you can deduct a loss or theft.

So if you mined and then traded $100k in Bitcoin for Ethereum and then the Ethereum was stolen, you would use form 4684 to claim the loss against your taxable income.

But I haven't heard of anyone doing this yet and I can imagine it would get some scrutiny from the IRS, seeing as it would be hard to prove a loss or theft.

Re: The IRS collects data on Coinbase account holders

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post #56

Could the IRS do me a solid and send me what the capital gains on my crypto currency are? I'll pay the taxes--I just don't want to have to calculate the taxes. I know, I know. Intuit and H&R Block refuse to allow that to happen, but if we could stop prioritizing entrenched industries, that'd be really nice.

This. It could be so simple. Have the IRS suggest what they think I owe - they can have all the metadata, and I'll happily just pay the taxes. If someone doesn't agree, they can do their own return. The current system is so inefficient and wastes a lot of people's time.

Re: The IRS collects data on Coinbase account holders

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One of the tax implications I’ve often thought about is those that heavily trade among different cryptos. If I buy $10k of Intel, it grows to $15k and I sell it to buy $15k of Google, I owe tax on the $5k gain. Now, perhaps one could argue that there is no “liquidity” event by trading one crypto for another. But perhaps the IRS argues there is a phantom liquidity event during such a trade. The IRS generally doesn’t l…

Think about it this way: you place a trade on December 28th or so that is valued at a few million, then make a series of disastrous trades that bring your account down to 10k in February.

You owe taxes to the feds and state of about 500,000, which you don't have anymore. That is of course carried forward as a loss for the next year, but that only results in reducing taxable income at a potentially lower bracket.

Re: The IRS collects data on Coinbase account holders

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post #40

My only concern is that I bought Bitcoin for a friend because he had trouble setting his account up. Now that tax time is coming up, this has me worried that I'll get singled out because what I claim doesn't match my account. He's filing for his portion of things, so it should all work out in the end, but I don't want to be audited to have to explain that.

It won't matter if it's a small amount. But you will simply need to show it on your tax calculations. Your 1099k will only have gross numbers. You will do the profit calculations. So the Bitcoin you sent to a friend will be deducted when you make your calculations.

Re: The IRS collects data on Coinbase account holders

#89
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Why fear a government agency with aging equipment and lack of employees due to continuous budget cuts by politicians who don't want their buddies audited? The IRS can't keep up with tax law changes and collect much of what they are supposed to collect already much less add new and more complex things to track.

So, if you were American, had a coinbase account, and made significant capital gains in the years under investigation, would you not be worried? Because it seems to me like they are very much capable of enforcement, as exemplified by the article. Rich people in the US don’t avoid taxes by stymying investigations they give 5% of their income to Republican candidates and PACs, and have the law changed for them.

As if tax loopholes are unique to the gop. I would wager they are pretty evenly distributed between Democrat and Republican. Not to mention corporate and wealthy donors.

Re: The IRS collects data on Coinbase account holders

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post #34

So if I made a whole $32 off of my experiment on Coinbase (invested $50 when the price was around $273.59/bitcoin and then sold when the price was around $459.69/bitcoin), will the IRS really care about their cut? I honestly expected some kind of documentation from Coinbase with respect to taxes, such as a 1099-B. I never received such a document. I also read somewhere that the IRS is only coming after people who mad…

> will the IRS really care about their cut?

Just pay the damn tax. If you’re thinking “will the IRS care,” avoid the hassle and pay it. Forgetting $32 of gains is one thing. Wilfully determining the IRS won’t come after you is another.

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