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Re: ICE is about to start tracking license plates across the US

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Post by jmaygarden »

WalterBright wrote: post #76

I decided to get my garage queen back on the road after 10 years. The tabs being expired, I went down to the DOL to get new tabs. They claimed that the auto records were purged after 7 years, and that there was no record of my car in their system. I needed to present the original title to prove the car existed and was mine.

Title issues can be... interesting. I've had major headaches trying to title a boat purchased in a state that doesn't have boat titles in a state that requires them for registration. Eventually, you can lay everything out before a judge/magistrate, and they can rule that your vehicle indeed exists and belongs to you.

Re: ICE is about to start tracking license plates across the US

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Post by sheepmullet »

adventured wrote: post #70
sheepmullet wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> promising their citizens that they will bring back the "good old times" Are they wrong? Low-skilled immigration seems like the worst possible idea at a time when millions of low skilled locals are going to be out of work. With no net immigration most western countries are slowly shrinking which would help a fair bit as well.

Flooding the US with vast quantities of low skilled labor for four decades, is also why wages for the bottom 50% do not climb like they should. It's simple, and obvious, supply & demand. It's bizarre that so many tech workers easily spot this concept in effect when big companies try to undercut their salaries in exactly the same manner by importing cheaper tech talent from other nations, yet they're oblivious to the…

Exactly. In a capitalist country like the US supply and demand is king.

Ignoring this and slowly trying to turn the US into a socialist democracy (against the will of a large fraction of our citizens) has caused immense suffering and hardship for the poor already.

Re: ICE is about to start tracking license plates across the US

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Post by sheepmullet »

Clubber wrote: post #64
sheepmullet wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> promising their citizens that they will bring back the "good old times" Are they wrong? Low-skilled immigration seems like the worst possible idea at a time when millions of low skilled locals are going to be out of work. With no net immigration most western countries are slowly shrinking which would help a fair bit as well.

There are many facets to this debate that aren't discussed in the news. One is that without immigration, the population of the US would decrease based on birth / death rates. If the population of the US decreases, social security and other social programs become insolvent. In other words, our social programs are based off the current working generation paying for the current retired generation, and has since their in…

> and benefits vary from region to region.

Like rich techies in SV get to enjoy cheap house cleaning and exotic food while poor people in other parts of the country drug out on opioids because the future is so bleak.

Re: ICE is about to start tracking license plates across the US

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

Clubber wrote: post #64
sheepmullet wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> promising their citizens that they will bring back the "good old times" Are they wrong? Low-skilled immigration seems like the worst possible idea at a time when millions of low skilled locals are going to be out of work. With no net immigration most western countries are slowly shrinking which would help a fair bit as well.

There are many facets to this debate that aren't discussed in the news. One is that without immigration, the population of the US would decrease based on birth / death rates. If the population of the US decreases, social security and other social programs become insolvent. In other words, our social programs are based off the current working generation paying for the current retired generation, and has since their in…

> One is that without immigration, the population of the US would decrease based on birth / death rates. If the population of the US decreases, social security and other social programs become insolvent. In other words, our social programs are based off the current working generation paying for the current retired generation, and has since their inception.

Which is a fine argument for granting citizenship to skilled workers in industries with low unemployment, but a counterargument to taking large numbers of unskilled workers during a glut of unskilled workers.

To make the system solvent, you need to increase the number of gainfully employed middle class people, not increase the number of unemployed and underpaid people who need net social assistance because there are more unskilled workers but only the same number of unskilled jobs.

Re: ICE is about to start tracking license plates across the US

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Post by confounded »

Scoundreller wrote: post #58
confounded wrote: post #21

Taking a quick look at Vigilant Solutions has been interesting. Yet another Israeli mass surveillance company started by ex 8200 IDF 'graduates'. The founder Adi Pinhas may ring a bell --- he also founded SuperFish! Worth noting that the EFF have been on ALPR tech for years. Signing up for their emails has given me opportunities to contact representatives regarding ALPR legislation and decisions I would have never he…

The same Superfish that US-CERT warned us about here: https://www.us-cert.gov/ncas/current-activity/2015/02/20/Len... And US-CERT is a part of DHS, just like ICE.

Yes

Re: ICE is about to start tracking license plates across the US

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Post by JBlue42 »

It's too bad there's no way to grab and analyze who these agents are and turn the tables on them. I'm sure some have parents or other relatives that might have been considered illegal at some point (or possibly still are? I would assume federal background checks would catch that). Name and shame, or, if able, have them knock down the doors to their parents or grandparents house and see how it feels. Jackbooted assholes sending people to their possible deaths.

Re: ICE is about to start tracking license plates across the US

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Post by JBlue42 »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #84
Clubber wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are many facets to this debate that aren't discussed in the news. One is that without immigration, the population of the US would decrease based on birth / death rates. If the population of the US decreases, social security and other social programs become insolvent. In other words, our social programs are based off the current working generation paying for the current retired generation, and has since their in…

> One is that without immigration, the population of the US would decrease based on birth / death rates. If the population of the US decreases, social security and other social programs become insolvent. In other words, our social programs are based off the current working generation paying for the current retired generation, and has since their inception. Which is a fine argument for granting citizenship to skilled…

Won't those unskilled workers return if there is no work, just like we've had seasonal migration of farm workers in the past?

Farm automation will probably take care of a lot of those jobs.

Re: ICE is about to start tracking license plates across the US

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Post by JBlue42 »

adventured wrote: post #70
sheepmullet wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> promising their citizens that they will bring back the "good old times" Are they wrong? Low-skilled immigration seems like the worst possible idea at a time when millions of low skilled locals are going to be out of work. With no net immigration most western countries are slowly shrinking which would help a fair bit as well.

Flooding the US with vast quantities of low skilled labor for four decades, is also why wages for the bottom 50% do not climb like they should. It's simple, and obvious, supply & demand. It's bizarre that so many tech workers easily spot this concept in effect when big companies try to undercut their salaries in exactly the same manner by importing cheaper tech talent from other nations, yet they're oblivious to the…

>It's also why the Koch brothers are aggressive supporters of unlimited low skill labor immigration. It's good for certain types of businesses involving traditional labor. The Kochs use it to suppress wages for their blue collar workers.

This is something that benefits both sides of party lines. I've definitely overheard conversations in cafes of people talking about how their "gardeners have families" and in the back of my head I wonder if they're paying that gardener enough to take care of those families.

Yes, the laws need reforming (I think the last time was in the sixties and everything has been piecemeal since then?) but I think both parties have ulterior motives unskilled labor, Dems just are dicks about it and recognize they are humans as well. But useful humans.

Re: ICE is about to start tracking license plates across the US

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Post by JBlue42 »

ams6110 wrote: post #39
jermaustin1 wrote: post #37

One of my clients does license plate reading and tracking. They have hundreds of tiny customers, and a handful of VERY LARGER customers, so I can say with 100% certainty, there are hundreds of agencies across the USA already doing this. For fun, I tracked my rental car from Georgia to Texas after a vacation a few months back to see how often I hit one of my client's customer's cameras. It was a lot. I saw myself hit…

IIRC there's an episode of Jay Leno's Garage that features a cop with a license plate reader. He can sit on the side of the road and every car that passes is scanned and checked for warrants. The answer comes back about as quickly as the speed reading on a radar gun. What they don't tell you is that all those plate numbers are going into a database, time- and location-stamped.

Pretty sure LAPD does this too.

Re: ICE is about to start tracking license plates across the US

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Post by JBlue42 »

jmaygarden wrote: post #81
WalterBright wrote: post #76

I decided to get my garage queen back on the road after 10 years. The tabs being expired, I went down to the DOL to get new tabs. They claimed that the auto records were purged after 7 years, and that there was no record of my car in their system. I needed to present the original title to prove the car existed and was mine.

Title issues can be... interesting. I've had major headaches trying to title a boat purchased in a state that doesn't have boat titles in a state that requires them for registration. Eventually, you can lay everything out before a judge/magistrate, and they can rule that your vehicle indeed exists and belongs to you.

Don't want to be that guy, but I have read where blockchain might make this easier in the future. I'm sure given the money hose that someone is trying to work on this.
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