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Cape Town could be the first city to run out of water

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Re: Cape Town could be the first city to run out of water

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Not sure how to interpret this statement.. One part of me is disgusted at someone profiting from bad planning and misery of others, the other thinks that this is something that really needs investing.

I meant this in a positive, not negative way. A for-profit company, if done properly, will be able to introduce the required infrastructure where necessary. It should (theoretically at least) also be run in a better way -- if the infrastructure isn't functioning properly, no profits are being made.

Maybe in the "real world" - its not about money, its about prioritization - and this is South Africa - the tender for water infrastructure would be awarded to a human resources company and money would be squandered on inferior infrastructure. There has simply not been enough priority put on upgrading water supply for the two decades we have known about the ever decreasing dam levels. Its not new - there were other priorities at national level and provincial level - and water problem was shunted, every time as a problem for later. Its not that government/municiplaities were not able to do the work -it was a question of who was paying for it. If a private company wanted to do this the expenditure would have been exorbitant - with very little hope of being remunerated because the income would have remained static - the municipalites would have less budget to maintain the systems and no private company would be able to invest that amount of money and make a profit in any short term.

Re: Cape Town could be the first city to run out of water

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Governments should be aware that to produce 1 pound of beef you need 50000 liters of fresh water, and if they are aware, stop lying to the population. But yes, I guess you could try to save 40 liters per day with your oil urinal.

State subsidy of certain agriculture, particularly beef and dairy, is definitely one of the biggest crimes of our times.

Re: Cape Town could be the first city to run out of water

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Not sure if you're being facetious, but saltwater kills most plants, with a few exceptions.

And just yesterday, I was thinking no one here would need to explain who Mike Judge is to the general audience. "It's got what plants crave" is a line from his movie Idiocracy. It is directly relevant the discussion at hand, but it's also a zero-effort joke that contributes nothing new.

Well, Idiocracy was release over 11 years ago, so young adults might not have heard of it. Hope I haven't made you feel old :)

Re: Cape Town could be the first city to run out of water

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post #69

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Not sure if you're being facetious, but saltwater kills most plants, with a few exceptions.

And just yesterday, I was thinking no one here would need to explain who Mike Judge is to the general audience. "It's got what plants crave" is a line from his movie Idiocracy. It is directly relevant the discussion at hand, but it's also a zero-effort joke that contributes nothing new.

Your presumption was half correct, but that movie might be my only blind spot in his oeuvre. Nonetheless I thank you for the clarification.

Re: Cape Town could be the first city to run out of water

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I'm currently in Brisbane, and arrived here while the big drought was still in progress (around 2008). Numerous restrictions, legislation for water saving measures, desal plants, etc were being implemented at the time, with pretty astounding results in terms of average water consumption. The drought broke in January 2011, and it's a little sad to see how much that was learnt, has been forgotten in the last 7 years. D…

Doesn't it make total sense to mothball the desal when you don't need it?

Pity about water consumption though.

Re: Cape Town could be the first city to run out of water

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The problem is that state's aren't really motivated to get things done in a cost efficient manner. If the government in SA is like the US, employees are not rewarded for doing anything beyond the bare minimum to prove that they are still alive. In a private business, the employees have to help the business towards its goal of making money, so all of the incentives are aligned to be successful (employees want promotio…

> The problem is that state's aren't really motivated to get things done in a cost efficient manner. And businesses aren't really motivated to provide cheap water or more than bare-minimum health standards. There are obvious pros and cons on both sides of that debate.

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Re: Cape Town could be the first city to run out of water

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post #83

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And just yesterday, I was thinking no one here would need to explain who Mike Judge is to the general audience. "It's got what plants crave" is a line from his movie Idiocracy. It is directly relevant the discussion at hand, but it's also a zero-effort joke that contributes nothing new.

Well, Idiocracy was release over 11 years ago, so young adults might not have heard of it. Hope I haven't made you feel old :)

I for one got the reference. but HN comment style strongly discourages low-effort jokes. It doesn't add information. I'm not surprised that it was downvoted, whether people "got it" or not. This is fine, HN is not reddit.

Re: Cape Town could be the first city to run out of water

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The difference is, Cape Town is not in war time. I can't think of the last time there was literal war in Cape Town, there's nothing in recent times. My best guess would be "a small but significant military engagement" on 8 January 1806 (1). Unrest in the late 1980s doesn't count. As far as I know, there were no military engagements in Cape Town during the Anglo-Boer wars (1880 - 1881 and 1899 – 1902). 1 ) https://en.…

> is not in war time Maybe not physical destruction. But "war time" is something that will get decided by historians in 20 years time. In a more cyber conscience world social engineering of the state[0] will become a act of war... or something in that line, I hope. gobble gobble [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gupta_family

I totally get that there is tension and conflict in the situation. Other comments allude to the tension between Local and national governments (1) and there may be an element that the National government is neglecting CT or actively wanting it to fail.

I don't think though this is the same as a city like Sanaa being shelled into rubble (2)

1)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16176394

2)

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/inside-war-torn-yemens-capi...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoZsjagnKPs

Re: Cape Town could be the first city to run out of water

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I live in Cape Town, and this article is missing some points about whats been going on: 1. "Day 0" has been moved forward - we're now expected to run out of water 21 April. 2. The daily limit of water per person is 87l but only ~50% of consumers meet this target 3. This is considered a 1/1000 year event (in contrast to 1/100 experienced elsewhere in the country recently). However due to increased population this is b…

Does government corruption / incompetence come into play in making this situation worse than it should be?

> Does government corruption / incompetence come into play

Of course there is a political dimension.

The SA national government (ANC) is from a different party to the Cape Town local government (Democratic Alliance, the main opposition party).

So there is tension between local and national governments. They try to make each other look bad.

Hard to prove, it it does look like the National government is either just neglecting Cape Town or deliberately encouraging it to fail.

And they are corrupt, particularly the national government, yes.

https://www.biznews.com/undictated/2017/12/15/cape-town-wate...

https://www.biznews.com/thought-leaders/2016/12/05/sa-water-...

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