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Tesla's New York Gigafactory Kicks Off Solar Roof Production

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Re: Tesla's New York Gigafactory Kicks Off Solar Roof Production

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I like the idea of a solar roof, but the incentives just don’t work out where I live. We have lots of sun, so I could plausibly produce quite a bit of excess power... but my electric company won’t buy it from me. The most they’ll do is let me offset my own consumption.

So my upside is capped at getting free electricity, which’ll save me $100-150 a month. That’s not nothing, but it’ll take a LONG time to recoup the cost.

Re: Tesla's New York Gigafactory Kicks Off Solar Roof Production

#82

I like the idea of a solar roof, but the incentives just don’t work out where I live. We have lots of sun, so I could plausibly produce quite a bit of excess power... but my electric company won’t buy it from me. The most they’ll do is let me offset my own consumption. So my upside is capped at getting free electricity, which’ll save me $100-150 a month. That’s not nothing, but it’ll take a LONG time to recoup the co…

That's when you start using your excess power to mine crypto and get $0.50/kWh instead of the $0.03/kWh that your utility would give you.

Re: Tesla's New York Gigafactory Kicks Off Solar Roof Production

#83

I like the idea of a solar roof, but the incentives just don’t work out where I live. We have lots of sun, so I could plausibly produce quite a bit of excess power... but my electric company won’t buy it from me. The most they’ll do is let me offset my own consumption. So my upside is capped at getting free electricity, which’ll save me $100-150 a month. That’s not nothing, but it’ll take a LONG time to recoup the co…

That's when you start using your excess power to mine crypto and get $0.50/kWh instead of the $0.03/kWh that your utility would give you.

That’s... crazy talk. I like it.

Re: Tesla's New York Gigafactory Kicks Off Solar Roof Production

#84

OT: Is there a reliable Firefox to block these annoying Bloomberg auto-play videos?

In Chrome, is this possible?

There's a plugin that disables autoplay.

https://github.com/Eloston/disable-html5-autoplay https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/disable-html5-auto...

Re: Tesla's New York Gigafactory Kicks Off Solar Roof Production

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post #67

Why not put the solar panels on the cars themselves? Makes them charge somewhat when parked on the street or in an open parking lot :)

Not to "relevant XKCD" you, but.. https://xkcd.com/1924/

In addition to the other points made (you often won't be able to charge enough for typical usage), you're also weighing down the car, and you're also immediately disincentivized from parking in a garage, while a house is never not going to be outside.

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> it hadn't operated at a profit in over 2 years (I believe) And how much of that is a direct result of the fact they are competing against Chinese-made panels that are directly funded by the Chinese government? There is literally no way you can have a discussion about ANY renewable energy without it being political. Either the US is going to protect US industry from Chinese goods being sold below-cost, or we're goin…

I don't dispute that point - however, investment in a company that can't turn a profit by a magnitude of $750 million of our tax dollars and area doesn't seem to be a wise use of dollars. That's really my overarching concern. There's no real benefit to the local economy, so why do it? That's my business mind, not my political mind on what's good or not for the environment. In the end it's tax dollars (rather high at…

What does profitability have to do with an investment to bring a company to a region? I've never heard of a profit-sharing agreement between a company and city/local government.

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post #72

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> So .. my real question, is why is this not brought to the national level for discussion to what Elon is doing to communities like Buffalo, where I live? That's my question ... Because Buffalo isn't a place that attracts much attention about anything outside of lake-effect snow and how terrible the Buffalo Bills are. These silver-bullet projects that promise to bring large number of high-paying jobs rarely pan out.…

> These silver-bullet projects that promise to bring large number of high-paying jobs rarely pan out. Remember when Yahoo put in that data center in Lockport (just outside of Buffalo for everyone not familiar with the area)? It was touted as a big win...as of two years ago they have a whopping 98 employees (most making less than 6 figures according to Glassdoor.) Meanwhile, Wisconsin is bending over backward to give…

Wait, Wisconsin wants to "give" $4Billion to foxconn? Is that in cash or tax breaks, in which case, are isn't Foxconn really just keeping their money?

Re: Tesla's New York Gigafactory Kicks Off Solar Roof Production

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post #69

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In addition to the other replies, a slate roof is nowhere near ten times the cost of asphalt shingles. It's more like 3x, and that's only if you price the cheapest asphalt shingles.

I had a damaged slate roof. Bids to repair it, replacing most of it, were north of $100k. An asphalt roof with 30 year shingles was under $5k. Ten times isn’t enough. I have a slate roof now, and pay a few hundred a year for replacement of broken skates. For historical-commission reasons, I’m much more likely to do Tesla-style tiles than anything else... and electricity here is 22¢/kWh.

Average cost to replace a 2,000 sf slate roof is ~$30,000. Someone was likely trying to rip you off.

Lifespan is kind of a leading question as many buildings simply are not going to last. Still, the high end for slate is very high. "There is a chapel in England, built during the 8th century, which has one of the oldest slate roofs known. After 1,200 years of service, the moss-covered roof is still in good condition, demonstrating the permanence of the material."

Re: Tesla's New York Gigafactory Kicks Off Solar Roof Production

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post #87
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> These silver-bullet projects that promise to bring large number of high-paying jobs rarely pan out. Remember when Yahoo put in that data center in Lockport (just outside of Buffalo for everyone not familiar with the area)? It was touted as a big win...as of two years ago they have a whopping 98 employees (most making less than 6 figures according to Glassdoor.) Meanwhile, Wisconsin is bending over backward to give…

Wait, Wisconsin wants to "give" $4Billion to foxconn? Is that in cash or tax breaks, in which case, are isn't Foxconn really just keeping their money?

Tax breaks are pretty much the same as cash-over-time, come on.

Re: Tesla's New York Gigafactory Kicks Off Solar Roof Production

#90

I like the idea of a solar roof, but the incentives just don’t work out where I live. We have lots of sun, so I could plausibly produce quite a bit of excess power... but my electric company won’t buy it from me. The most they’ll do is let me offset my own consumption. So my upside is capped at getting free electricity, which’ll save me $100-150 a month. That’s not nothing, but it’ll take a LONG time to recoup the co…

There's a company building a distributed grid exchange system so your neighbors could get a slight discount by buying your power as opposed to that of the electricity company, and you would make more than you would by selling to the electricity company. Currently piloting this idea across a couple places in Australia and SE Asia.

https://powerledger.io/

Edit: I clarified a sentence.

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