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Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by snowwrestler »

stephen_g wrote: post #26
notadoc wrote: post #3

High Sierra seems like a great OS if you want an unstable workstation that doesn't work with tools you've used everyday for well over a decade.

It’s weird, I keep hearing things like this but have encountered literally no issues with it on my mid-2015 MacBook Pro... Is there some particular hardware that it’s dodgy on or am I just lucky?

Who takes the time to write a blog post about how they bought a Mac recently and everything is just going fine as expected? Not many people.

Look at it this way: there are literally dozens of complaints posted in this thread. But Apple sold 5.39 million Macs in the most recent quarter.

You're always going to hear more from people who are unhappy, than the quietly satisfied.

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by cordite »

polygot wrote: post #11

On Mac OS 10.4 (tiger) when I left Activity Monitor going in the background for a few minutes and returned to it, sometimes it would all of a sudden refresh the values super super fast with historical data (appearing to catch up on the iterations that it did not display.) On 10.6, when I ran Windows in a virtual machine while it was doing windows update, and left it running in the background for a few minutes and ret…

Oooh! I recently had a super high percentage event, it was because of a bunch of IO that happened right when I woke the Mac up, and I guess the system monitor dropped a few samples and nearly divided by zero.

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

#83

Post by jordache »

malchow wrote: post #32
notadoc wrote: post #3

High Sierra seems like a great OS if you want an unstable workstation that doesn't work with tools you've used everyday for well over a decade.

I'm on macOS High Sierra for the spontaneity. Every morning, I go to wake my Macbook Pro with two 4K USB-C connected displays and external keyboard and mouse. Will one display turn on? Both? Neither? Who knows!

Or how about it crashes your computer and you'll have to hold down the power button ?

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by alwillis »

alwillis wrote: post #78
notadoc wrote: post #3

High Sierra seems like a great OS if you want an unstable workstation that doesn't work with tools you've used everyday for well over a decade.

This is why we can’t have nice things--random reports of things not working are pretty meaningless without context. Yes, it’s fodder to continue to dump on Apple—I get that. But it certainly doesn’t help solve the issue, assuming there’s really an issue in the first place. For the record, I’ve installed htop many dozens of times using Homebrew on a variety of Mac hardware and operating systems over the years and have…

Turns out there’s some kind of build issue with htop; the Homebrew formula has been modified to not install on High Sierra.

Here’s what I got when attempting to upgrade; for the record, htop still works fine for me:

    ==> Upgrading 1 outdated package, with result:
    htop 2.0.2_1
    htop: This formula either does not compile or function as expected on macOS versions newer than Sierra due to an upstream incompatibility.
    Error: An unsatisfied requirement failed this build.

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

#85

Post by pkaye »

snowwrestler wrote: post #81
stephen_g wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s weird, I keep hearing things like this but have encountered literally no issues with it on my mid-2015 MacBook Pro... Is there some particular hardware that it’s dodgy on or am I just lucky?

Who takes the time to write a blog post about how they bought a Mac recently and everything is just going fine as expected? Not many people. Look at it this way: there are literally dozens of complaints posted in this thread. But Apple sold 5.39 million Macs in the most recent quarter. You're always going to hear more from people who are unhappy, than the quietly satisfied.

There is also those who silently live with the problems because it is too much work to get a resolution. I no longer use a mac but a few years back there used to be wifi issues with my recent ibook where when you open it up, the wifi doesn't find the network half the time. It took month for any fixes even though this is Apple developed hardware and OS and people were getting no answers on their help website. Eventually it got fixed in one of their updates only to come back on yet another update before finally being resolved.

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

#86

Post by rdtsc »

alwillis wrote: post #78
notadoc wrote: post #3

High Sierra seems like a great OS if you want an unstable workstation that doesn't work with tools you've used everyday for well over a decade.

This is why we can’t have nice things--random reports of things not working are pretty meaningless without context. Yes, it’s fodder to continue to dump on Apple—I get that. But it certainly doesn’t help solve the issue, assuming there’s really an issue in the first place. For the record, I’ve installed htop many dozens of times using Homebrew on a variety of Mac hardware and operating systems over the years and have…

> This is why we can’t have nice things--random reports of things not working are pretty meaningless without context

No they are not. A lot of the same reports with same combination of htop + iTerm should prompt the company to investigate. At least when they are selling $2k "premium" machines.

> I’ve installed htop many dozens of times using Homebrew on a variety of Mac hardware

Neither did I except since I upgraded to High Sierra, happened within an hour after.

> it’s usually what’s not being reported that's the problem.

Usually is. So who from Apple is investigating what is not being reported. It seems like after enough people seeing the issue, they'd prioritize it a bit.

> Did htop ever work correctly? If so, when did that change?

Even if htop doesn't work correctly, and is complete garbage it doesn't install kernel extension and doesn't run with admin privileges so it shouldn't freeze the machine or render it unusable which is seems to do.

> it’s only the problems that are part of some narrative that make news;

The corollary there is that to make the news and get the attention, would need to build a narrative. In many cases with large companies with lots of consumers the best way to solve a problem is to make a big stink on the social media. It's unfortunate but because it's effective, that's what people use.

> but lets not make it seem worse than it actually is.

For people who see their expensive machines which used to work, stop working is pretty bad. Had these been some no-name $150 cheapo chromebooks there wouldn't be such a big deal.

And this issue might not be as serious, but you do recall the "root party" vulnerability, just a month or so ago? That was actually pretty bad, wouldn't you say? And at some point the effect is cumulative. One thing after another starts to get to people. So people will let off steam online about it.

> This is pretty underwhelming, especially given the severity of these vulnerabilities.

One is a non-profit foundation and another is a company with almost $800B in capital. There is a slight difference and different expectations there as well.

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

#88

Post by znpy »

seanp2k2 wrote: post #44
malchow wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm on macOS High Sierra for the spontaneity. Every morning, I go to wake my Macbook Pro with two 4K USB-C connected displays and external keyboard and mouse. Will one display turn on? Both? Neither? Who knows!

Store the screen layout using serials from the EDIDs. Why it doesn’t do this and “tries” to guess their position somehow is beyond me. I use the OWC TB3 dock with dual Asus PA328qs with the latest firmware. Because of apparently some lame design decisions, in order to run dual external monitors over a single TB3 port, you need the dock, which has one DisplayPort output, then a TB3-> DisplayPort (via USB-C alt mode II…

> For a ~$6k setup, it’s awful. It’d be awful for $1k. About 10 years ago, I had a Dell D830 running Fedora and later, early versions of Gnome shell. The dock powered the laptop and a mouse, keyboard, external drive, and two monitors. It was a single (albeit proprietary) connector, and the dock was fairly expensive (~$200 IIRC). It worked damn great, nearly every time, even with sleep States in Linux on a laptop 10 years ago.

And what did we learn here?

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by derefr »

seanp2k2 wrote: post #44
malchow wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm on macOS High Sierra for the spontaneity. Every morning, I go to wake my Macbook Pro with two 4K USB-C connected displays and external keyboard and mouse. Will one display turn on? Both? Neither? Who knows!

Store the screen layout using serials from the EDIDs. Why it doesn’t do this and “tries” to guess their position somehow is beyond me. I use the OWC TB3 dock with dual Asus PA328qs with the latest firmware. Because of apparently some lame design decisions, in order to run dual external monitors over a single TB3 port, you need the dock, which has one DisplayPort output, then a TB3-> DisplayPort (via USB-C alt mode II…

They do do that. It fails because the monitors have identical EDIDs. Peripheral vendors are less competent than you think.

Re: Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

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Post by SomeHacker44 »

notadoc wrote: post #17
dm319 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a developer, but I knew developers were previously content with Macbooks usually running OSX or linux. Given so much unhappiness with OSX, and the inability to run linux on the USB-C macbook pros, what are developers generally doing? The Apple hardware is nice, but it generally means you have to use OSX. Windows WSL is pretty convenient, but then you have to use Windows. Linux is, of course, great, but what h…

Well this is purely anecdotal, but at least 70% of the developers, IT workers, and researchers that I know are using prior generation MacBook Pro hardware (the ones without the touch bar or terrible keyboard, and with ports) and are intentionally using the older OSX versions. I know several people who traded in 2016/2017 models for 2015 models because it's literally an upgrade; get an older machine and you suddenly h…

This. Although I didn't redowngrade to the non touch bar, I literally hate it and stare enviously at my colleagues running Dell and Lenovo Linux laptops with 32GB of RAM, etc. I am still hoping for Apple to get its act together but I am done with the crappy non Pro "Pro" consumer junk laptops.
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