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Re: Red Lang goes blockchain

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Post by mindB »

eggy wrote: post #78
9214 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

s/Naned/Nenad I recently got interested in J too by the way, how do you use this language and Lisps in your work?

I can't go back and edit the spelling error, thanks anyway. I use J daily on my desktop as a calculator, and for more involved calculations. I am a senior project manager/technical designer/business developer at an engineering firm in the their Entertainment department. We do rock concerts, Broadway, film, live events, theme parks, stage machinery, art installation engineering and more. J is like my quicker-than-Exce…

Have you dabbled with Julia [1] before? It sounds like it might be right up your alley. It's not a lisp, but it's very "lispy" in a lot of ways, and it's focused on scientific/numeric computing with an active community focused on the same. The creators also mentioned J as an influence I believe, though I haven't used J myself, so I can't comment on that.

[1] https://julialang.org

Re: Red Lang goes blockchain

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Post by dang »

lepinekong2 wrote: post #15
Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #9

God! Enough! At this point any announcement with "blockchain" should turn any informed person off of the whole project. Checking out Red was on my roadmap and now it's firmly not.

What stupid comment is this ? Red is an amazing tool for creating DSL it's a logical that it goes this path.

Please don't name-call in comments. Apart from breaking the site rules (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html), it discredits your point. That's particularly bad when your point is good.

Re: Red Lang goes blockchain

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Post by onetom »

AlexCoventry wrote: post #36

> We have produced a whitepaper earlier this year in October (co-authored by Tamas Herman and myself), to describe with more details and context what we are building. We will release it publicly in a few days. Why not release them simultaneously?

> Nenad Rakocevic @dockimbel 00:35

> @OneArb I need to update the whitepaper with latest data, so it should be available maybe tomorrow, or in a couple of days.

— https://gitter.im/red/blockchain?at=5a4128da0163b02810796948

Re: Red Lang goes blockchain

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Post by tluyben2 »

eggy wrote: post #79
tluyben2 wrote: post #76

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The APLs and especially, for me, j and k, are really interesting languagues. For one, I agree with Whitney, the creator of k, that you should not have to scroll to read your software. I think making sure at least every function points fits on a phone screen is a large boon for readability and maintainability. It is not the fact that it fits there, it is more so that if it does, you can work on that implementation men…

I am familiar with k and oK. Is your unreleased language closer to forth or k? Sounds interesting. I checked out Sporth by a fellow named Paul Batchelor. Pretty cool stuff. He's going in different directions nowadays I think, but stil livecoding tools.

Sounds interesting! Will check it out. My language is closer to Forth; I borrowed ways of making code terser from k mostly, but I like the way of not having variables (when possible) without making too much off a mess. And the way k does that feels inelegant to me somehow.

Edit: Live coding really helps though; the whole Bret Victor thing and Light table etc but also many artists and game devs before that, know that you want sculpt your ideas first before you stabilize them. Aka you want spreadsheet programming but when you have more or less what you want, you want to 'upgrade' that code so it's not 'spreadsheet programming' anymore. We have the first (live coding environments, usually for art, Forth etc), we have the middle (REPLs, Lisp) and we have the last part (strongly typed languages and even formal verified programming), but we don't have something that flows from begin to end without having to rewrite everything every stage. I think Lisp / Clojure fans believe they do have this, but I don't find it convincing (although I love coding in Lispy's). I feel Forth has the 'beginning' down much more than Lisp, but moving from a 'working' mess to something stable and then to something rocksolid is not so easy. I keep experimenting.

Re: Red Lang goes blockchain

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Post by nerdponx »

MR4D wrote: post #28
Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #9

God! Enough! At this point any announcement with "blockchain" should turn any informed person off of the whole project. Checking out Red was on my roadmap and now it's firmly not.

I’m with you about blockchain announcements, but this looks like it’s actually appropriate. From the linked page: “Such dialect will compile to the Ethereum VM (EVM) bytecode directly as first target, and more backends will be added later to support other chains, like NEO. ” That seems significant to me.

I wish they'd stopped there. An ICO on top of it makes no sense to me as anything but a demo-net for the EVM backend.

Re: Red Lang goes blockchain

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Post by 9214 »

eggy wrote: post #78
9214 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

s/Naned/Nenad I recently got interested in J too by the way, how do you use this language and Lisps in your work?

I can't go back and edit the spelling error, thanks anyway. I use J daily on my desktop as a calculator, and for more involved calculations. I am a senior project manager/technical designer/business developer at an engineering firm in the their Entertainment department. We do rock concerts, Broadway, film, live events, theme parks, stage machinery, art installation engineering and more. J is like my quicker-than-Exce…

Thanks for reply!

Re: Red Lang goes blockchain

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Post by Hendrikto »

john_moscow wrote: post #65

Oh boy. It would suck ass to see those guys busted by SEC for offering unregistered securities. The voting rights will definitely make it a security from SEC's standpoint, so the only question is whether they will be considered too small of a fish to bother. The irony with the ICO market is that it's safe for total scams with untraceable founders and it's safe for big players like FileCoin that voluntarily comply wit…

The SEC has absolutely no say in this whatsoever, as the Red Foundation is being set up in France.

Re: Red Lang goes blockchain

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Post by Hendrikto »

cordite wrote: post #69

I was actually looking at Red in consideration for my next year's personal projects. I'd consider it further if I felt it was more complete. Perhaps this is a cursory evaluation, but it feels like the emphasis is to use what's built in as much as possible. Given a lack of json (yes, there is an implementation out there, but not built in), and still pending linux GUI support, it still feels too unfinished for me to in…

The lack of Linux GUI support is a dealbreaker for me.

Re: Red Lang goes blockchain

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Post by AlexCoventry »

onetom wrote: post #83
AlexCoventry wrote: post #36

> We have produced a whitepaper earlier this year in October (co-authored by Tamas Herman and myself), to describe with more details and context what we are building. We will release it publicly in a few days. Why not release them simultaneously?

> Nenad Rakocevic @dockimbel 00:35 > @OneArb I need to update the whitepaper with latest data, so it should be available maybe tomorrow, or in a couple of days. — https://gitter.im/red/blockchain?at=5a4128da0163b02810796948

Thank you.
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