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Text-only news sites are slowly making a comeback

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Re: Text-only news sites are slowly making a comeback

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I find it astonishing how much of my laptops resources are occupied by a web browser. But I came to believe that it was not necessarily a problem with the web browsers per se but that each website would have a variety of javascript constantly running, and most of that code is not providing any information that I want. So I have turned off javascript in the browser. It breaks many sites, but, especially for news sites…

I have a similar system, but using pandoc to output markdown

https://github.com/davidar/peruse

Re: Text-only news sites are slowly making a comeback

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post #26

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I miss the 90s web I used to browse with Netscape Navigator. I really liked static navigation menus where I didn't have to stop and infer the functionalities from an icon or hidden expendable/scrolling menus. I made my first website with it when I was 11 (still have it on a cd rom)...it was so simple to use. In fact, a lot of stuff in the late 90s to the early 2000s were very approachable as a curious noob. I started…

the irony is that a lot of young people and thus companies are looping into the "we need fiber optics for teh web" so they can reach barely useful MB webpages and stream barely interesting 4K content. Reminds me I have to prototype some low bandwidth mesh network to see how fast it could go with simple html4 era websites. ps: note that .. I was very eager to have full js websites when the web 2.0 thing started. faile…

> Reminds me I have to prototype some low bandwidth mesh network to see how fast it could go with simple html4 era websites.

Please do.

We need a low-bandwidth, low-noise, no BS alternative to the festering mess that is the current state of the Internet. We need a meshnet, for information and learning, not for advertising and spam. The low bandwidth will help enforce simpler content, with less overhead.

Re: Text-only news sites are slowly making a comeback

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By all means today's content websites are an abomination, but I don't see why we need to throw the baby out with the bath water by completely rejecting any attempt at styling websites and going back on all readability best practices. I see a lot of websites now which, in an attempt to reject all the nonsense, end up rejecting even basic CSS, and you are subjected to browser width text in Times New Roman with ugly blu…

> you are subjected to browser width text Some of us consider it a feature that a website allows the reader to freely resize the browser window (and the text with-in) to the width they consider comfortable.

You can still do that with some margin or padding to the text doesn’t literally touch the edges.

Re: Text-only news sites are slowly making a comeback

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> Bowden: Text in HTML is the way to go here; you cover accessibility issues and SEO bots, while simultaneously also being usable on the maximum number of devices possible. HTML and CSS are forgiving in the sense that you can make mistakes in them, and something will still be rendered to the user. Browsers are built with backwards compatibility, so combining them all grants you the extended coverage. Meaning that bas…

From a pragmatic perspective: adding a level of interactivity via JavaScript requires a lot of work and/or $$$. Text content Just Works.

And think of disabled people who use screen readers and similarly limited interfaces. A simple text-based website works so much better with these tools than a JS and AJAX abomination.

Re: Text-only news sites are slowly making a comeback

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post #74

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I have this project of moving most of my browsing to EWW (the native web browser in Emacs) and using a full-fledged web browser only when I need to use some web app. But many content-only websites are going with completely dynamically rendered pages with React or what not, so all you have is void at worst if you disable JS or view with a text-only browser, and garbled up unreadable stuff if you're lucky. Also e.g. th…

Agreed. I am using opera at the moment with javascript turned off by default. But there are some sites I want to use that are simply non-functional without javascript enabled. I add those sites to a list of exceptions. However, as a result of having javascript off by default, I will sometimes find a site that I cannot view and it makes me ask the question -- do I really want to see this content? is this a site that I…

That's what I used to do with xombrero actually. Xombrero was my browser of love... If I was any good at C programming, I'd port it to WebKit 2 (I actually started the project, thinking of hacking my way to really learning C and the relevant APIs, but I was daunted and gave up). With FF, which is what I use nowadays, it's way too bothersome to work with that. UBlock kind-of helps, but I do miss block-by-default days...

Re: Text-only news sites are slowly making a comeback

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Great news! On a related front, I find it appalling that a $1000+ device that can map your face, tell you where you are and act as a real-time assistant renders unstyled HTML with absurdly tiny font size. (Things are still sane enough that the viewport tag will eventually become part of CSS, not HTML [1].) And pelase don't suggest Safari's Reader View as an alternative: it will happily skip tables and short paragraphs, without any warning. Moreover, if it didn't do these things, why not make that Reader View the Deafault View for CSS-less HTML documents? Arrrgh!

[1] https://www.w3.org/TR/css-device-adapt-1/#viewport-meta

Re: Text-only news sites are slowly making a comeback

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By all means today's content websites are an abomination, but I don't see why we need to throw the baby out with the bath water by completely rejecting any attempt at styling websites and going back on all readability best practices. I see a lot of websites now which, in an attempt to reject all the nonsense, end up rejecting even basic CSS, and you are subjected to browser width text in Times New Roman with ugly blu…

I, for one, appreciate going back to the HTML4 roots I grew up with, when the web was much more simple and fast, and could easily be navigated with the Lynx browser and your arrow keys. Links should be blue and underlined.

HTML 4 is pretty modern. Do you remember Gopher?

Re: Text-only news sites are slowly making a comeback

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post #60

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Text decoration none? Seems like a really bad idea, can't tell what things are actual links.

The links would still be blue, "text-decoration: none" will just remove the underline.

I don't like the underlines myself, but removing them will also make it difficult for people who don't distinguish well between blue and black.
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