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AMA: NY AG Schneiderman on net neutrality and protecting our voice in government

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Re: AMA: NY AG Schneiderman on net neutrality and protecting our voice in government

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Post by DiThi »

_red wrote: post #64
jerkstate wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding is that the technical implementation of net neutrality is a ban of traffic policing (dropping prior to complete congestion to signal senders to slow down) for purposes other than "reasonable network management" So Comcast shaping Netflix when Cogent won't pay their share to upgrade their peering point is probably still legal, but they would probably have to go to court to prove that it was "reasonabl…

>My understanding is that the technical implementation of net neutrality is a ban of traffic policing (dropping prior to complete congestion to signal senders to slow down) for purposes other than "reasonable network management" Thanks for the points. A few further thoughts. 1. There are two sides to every connection. Couldn't Netflix itself traffic shape? 2. Can I pay for QoS from an ISP for elevated service (for in…

Shaping is not a problem at all. The problem is how you decide that shaping. If you're client of a network and you pay more for more priority inside that network they can do that, but as soon as the packet leaves it, it should have the same priority as anything else. And in practice you should never need such a service, as long as there's enough capacity. QoS can prioritize VoIP traffic without having to look to the source, destination or content. There's many clues for that which don't rely on having a list of source/destination tables or content matching.

Re: AMA: NY AG Schneiderman on net neutrality and protecting our voice in government

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Post by natch »

Hi Mr. Schneiderman:

There are some great questions on here. I'm afraid the time window for this AMA is just too short to do them justice! Any chance you could pop back on here again over the next few days answer a few more of the best questions?

Re: AMA: NY AG Schneiderman on net neutrality and protecting our voice in government

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Post by AGSchneiderman »

mc32 wrote: post #10

Would you mind commenting on these findings? They seem to have found that both sides have been stuffing the ballot box: http://www.emprata.com/reports/fcc-restoring-internet-freedo... Also, can you work on net neutrality for all bits? That is Google, Facebook, Twitter, as the main gateways to public discourse treat all comments equally without promoting one viewpoint over another that does not enjoy elite sanction? W…

I’m glad you asked – this report is really telling. It’s been reported that this study was paid for by Broadband for America, which counts many big ISPs as members. Yet even this study found massive flaws in the comments, including about 8 million comments using made-up identities. Also revealing, is its findings about the approximately 1.5 million comments that were personalized, meaning someone felt so strongly about the issue they went to the extra trouble to write a unique comment themselves (versus, say, signing a petition – which is certainly valid but less labor-intensive). Of those 1.5 million personalized comments, 98.5% were pro-neutrality.

Re: AMA: NY AG Schneiderman on net neutrality and protecting our voice in government

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Post by KingMob »

_red wrote: post #41

For those of us who have used the internet 1989 to present, and who are dubious anytime we are told government is taking broad sweeping actions to "protect" us. Please explain the need for this regulation to exist. 1. Please define "network neutrality" - if possible do so without using hand-waving nonsense words, but technical definitions. What strictly defines a "neutrality infraction"? 2. If the internet existed fo…

Not AGSchneiderman, but I'll try my hand at some of these.

2. Because the "gentleman's agreement" behind peering has broken down, and the last-mile telecoms realized they can demand money from both sides.

3. Because any entity the size of the govt has many parts. The NY AG is not working at the FCC, nor do they work at federal antitrust organizations.

4. It certainly would, but the incredible infrastructure investment needed to bring meaningful competition to an area ensures that most companies and investors don't want to commit to such a low ROI.

Re: AMA: NY AG Schneiderman on net neutrality and protecting our voice in government

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Post by AGSchneiderman »

CDeGroot93 wrote: post #74

Dear Attorney General, If the vote proceeds will you sue this repeal, to protect New Yorkers?

Thanks for this question. We think there's still time to stop repeal, so we're hoping everyone with a stake in this issue--especially the tech community--will mobilize to force the Chairman to reconsider his proposal. You can be sure that we'll scrutinize the final rule very closely and seriously consider possible next steps at that point.

Re: AMA: NY AG Schneiderman on net neutrality and protecting our voice in government

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Post by KingMob »

DiThi wrote: post #67
_red wrote: post #41

For those of us who have used the internet 1989 to present, and who are dubious anytime we are told government is taking broad sweeping actions to "protect" us. Please explain the need for this regulation to exist. 1. Please define "network neutrality" - if possible do so without using hand-waving nonsense words, but technical definitions. What strictly defines a "neutrality infraction"? 2. If the internet existed fo…

(edit: not AGSchneiderman, but just what I understand about the topic) 1. Net neutrality is to not treat differently (to not change speed/latency/access) of a packet depending on source, destination or content/protocol. A "neutrality infraction" is e.g. throttling some streaming services and not others, or blocking access. Note that this is NOT the same thing as prioritizing packets depending on behavior (amount and…

To piggyback here, the key point in #1 is about prioritizing/throttling based on vendor, not service type. Prioritizing video over email is fine, prioritizing Netflix (who paid you) over Hulu (who didn't) is not.

Re: AMA: NY AG Schneiderman on net neutrality and protecting our voice in government

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Post by Invictus0 »

Hi AG Schneiderman, I'm a resident of Westchester County, NY and support your investigation into the FCC's process. If you are successful, or even if you are unsuccessful, do you think your efforts will embolden other state AGs to investigate the federal government, and do you think that is a good or a bad precedent to set?

Re: AMA: NY AG Schneiderman on net neutrality and protecting our voice in government

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Post by jerkstate »

jachee wrote: post #78
_red wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>My understanding is that the technical implementation of net neutrality is a ban of traffic policing (dropping prior to complete congestion to signal senders to slow down) for purposes other than "reasonable network management" Thanks for the points. A few further thoughts. 1. There are two sides to every connection. Couldn't Netflix itself traffic shape? 2. Can I pay for QoS from an ISP for elevated service (for in…

ISPs charge their customers for access. They should not be able to then restrict that access based on their business needs. Just because Netflix competes with Comcast (NBC) doesn't mean Comcast should be able to ignore their customers' desire to consume Netflix content. Because that's what it is. It's not like Netflix is generating petabytes of unsolicited traffic. They're providing the traffic Comcast's (or verizon'…

There used to be a time when content companies needed to carefully select their network transit partners in order to make sure the bits their customers were paying them for had the best chance of reaching them (see: the existence of the CDN industry). It seems that those times are over, and the internet will be legislated to be 100% reliable and capacious..
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