Can this be realistic stopped? What if FCC just don't give a fuck and proceed? Serious question
I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality
81–90 of 423 posts
Re: I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This is a special situation that's only happening due to arrogance of the Trump administration Pai was nominated by Obama on McConnell's recommendation [1]. Trump only elevated him to Chairman. I'm curious about his personal motivations. Is it as simple as him having served as associate general counsel at Verizon? Is it a legalistic interpretation, that the FCC doesn't have the authority to regulate this? Or about…
It’s possible that he actually believes Net Neutrality is bad policy. I’m for net neutrality but I at least recognize that it’s possible to disagree in good faith.
I appreciate that. Reddit would have me believe anyone who is for market solutions to internet concerns is some sort of total anarchist who wants to burn down everything we have.
I want to note that NN is something we've only never quite had for 2 years, and for the rest of the history of the internet we did not have.
Re: I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
Call them. Write them. The internet comments don't really amount to much. But if you call or write, they will at least have a tally of how many complaints they've received. They may not see your complaint specifically but at least it counts, unlike internet complaints
I'm happy to do so. But in the end should we even need to do this crap? Isn't it just so obvious how bad this is that our representatives should be fighting it without calls? It just baffles me.
Corruption is baffling?
Re: I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
Call them. Write them. The internet comments don't really amount to much. But if you call or write, they will at least have a tally of how many complaints they've received. They may not see your complaint specifically but at least it counts, unlike internet complaints
I'm happy to do so. But in the end should we even need to do this crap? Isn't it just so obvious how bad this is that our representatives should be fighting it without calls? It just baffles me.
Yes. That's called democracy.
Re: I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality
#85Would someone outline the pros and cons of the FCC vs FTC overseeing regulation of the internet?
Net Neutrality prevents abuses; the FTC can step in after a violation reaches critical proportions. It's like the difference between parking in a locked garage in a bad neighborhood, and having a car alarm to let you know when your window has been broken and all your stuff stolen.
How does it work with FCC today though? What if a company (say Verizon) throttles some traffic (say Youtube), how would the punitive part work from the part of the government.
Re: I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality
#86Would someone outline the pros and cons of the FCC vs FTC overseeing regulation of the internet?
You could make the valid argument that no matter how beneficial net neutrality may be it isn't within the regulatory authority of the FCC to define or enforce such according to the agency's definition per their charter. This is perhaps the best argument for killing net neutrality. The common consideration is that killing net neutrality poses a direct and immediate harm to consumers of potential discriminatory practic…
FTC regulating the advertising industry is not mutually exclusive of the FCC enforcing Net Neutrality.
Re: I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality
#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
> when there is such overwhelming support for net neutrality. I think you may be overestimating how representative technical communities are compared to the general public, as well as overestimating how universally people even in technical communities agree about this. (I also think that even with widespread agreement that wouldn't necessarily be enough, but I don't necessarily think that widespread agreement exists,…
Here's a poll of the general population. It's overwhelming. https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/06/06/new-mozilla-poll-am...
Thank you very much for posting that. I read through the information.
To be honest, I'm not sure the poll correctly shows overwhelming support. Certainly the numbers from the poll show overwhelming support - however the poll is of 1,008 people online. And, the results of the responses are weighted for demographics.
Regarding weighting by demographics, I still remember during the last presidential election cycle how there was a single 19 year old Black man in Illinois whose voice was weighted so strongly in polls that his votes were actually 300 times greater than the least weighted vote.
Re: I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality
#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
Those appear to be economists, not Internet domain specialists. Less than half agree or strongly agree and in the weighted chart, a whopping 41% are Uncertain, which suggests they recognize that they don't know much about the subject. Many of the comments by Agree and Strongly Agree respondents indicate they don't understand the subject fully.
The relevant domain for regulations is economics. 45% agree or strongly agree compared to 14% disagree, which is a 3-1 ratio. Excluding the uncertain ones because they likely don't know much about the topic. Could you give examples of what you think they don't understand?
Economics is not the only relevant domain for public policy.
Just because someone is confident in their opinion doesn't mean they're knowledgable, surely you see that regularly online. Economists are not especially self-aware or more humble than other people.
Here's an ignorant comment: "Net neutrality is a fiction. Hire Akamai (et al.) to mirror your servers worldwide to speed content to your users." Using Akamai isn't going to do shit if Comcast decides your videos are hurting their cable TV business and start dropping packets, or set a data cap that counts your traffic while they zero rate their own competing product.
Another one: "If all qualities sell at the same price, markets cannot allocate quality efficiently. Works for soap, wine, and haircuts; why not Internet?" ISPs do not operate in a market, consumers have little to no choice amongst providers. ISPs provide a service, not a good like soap or wine; haircuts are a service but have nothing in common with Internet access, you can cut your own hair but you can't make your own Internet.
Re: I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality
#89Nick Gillespie: Your plan will, according to a write up in Politico, and I think this is accurate, it quote, "will jettison rules that prohibit internet service providers from blocking or slowing web traffic or creating so called paid internet fast lanes." Question for you, do you think fast lanes will become a thing? What is the value of a internet fast lane? Ajit Pai: The answer to the first is we're not sure. We'v…
> "If murder hadn't happened in a certain area yet, would it be 'too preemptive' to outlaw it?" But even with murder, the law doesn't stop murders before they happen, but rather only acts retroactively (and that is for good reason). > "Fast lanes DO exist in other countries right now." But this is ignoring the whole debate: proponents of net freedom don't consider fast lanes to be a problem.
>But this is ignoring the whole debate: proponents of net freedom don't consider fast lanes to be a problem.
yes we do
Re: I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality
#90"There is something not right about a few unelected FCC officials making such vast determinations about the future of the internet." Is she talking about 2015 or 2017?
Bullshit is so easy to spread. People willing to peddle falsehoods often end up winning if they can just repeat the lies until everyone else gets tired of repeating themselves. Network neutrality started in the early 2000s because some ISPs started blocking VPNs and other services. Network Neutrality was simply how the internet had always worked prior to that. The FCC wanted to take a light hand toward regulation but…
Who is spreading "bullshit", the person who knows that NN never existed until 2015 when it barely did, or someone who is trying to claim that 2015-style NN was necessary resolve issues in the early 2000s and is using FUD to push for NN?