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Millennials to Small Cities: Ready or Not, Here We Come

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Re: Millennials to Small Cities: Ready or Not, Here We Come

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Move abroad. That's simple. Lots of places with much better quality of life. European Union is terrific place: multiple nations, different climates, various cultures, freedom of speech, parlamentary democracy, clean ecology, safety, good education, inexpensive housing.

Speaking for my small city corner of the European Union, inexpensive housing is decidedly not a feature.

Re: Millennials to Small Cities: Ready or Not, Here We Come

#82
post #15

Real estate is one of the biggest intergenerational scams ever. Be smart and just buy a cheaper house and then work less. pretty simple

"ever"? We live in an affluent neighborhood surrounded by Doctors and CPAs. Our kids see that every day. That's their normal. And if/when there are major budget changes to the district, who do you think are the first parents in line advocating for their school? You literally buy your kids a chance at a better future.

Yah the strategy of a cheap house doesn't work as well if you have children who need an education. Most of the areas partly expensive (in high demand) because of the excellent local schools. In being expensive the schools then get even more money. Unless education funding is distributed uniformly I can't see this changing soon.

Re: Millennials to Small Cities: Ready or Not, Here We Come

#83
post #15

Real estate is one of the biggest intergenerational scams ever. Be smart and just buy a cheaper house and then work less. pretty simple

"ever"? We live in an affluent neighborhood surrounded by Doctors and CPAs. Our kids see that every day. That's their normal. And if/when there are major budget changes to the district, who do you think are the first parents in line advocating for their school? You literally buy your kids a chance at a better future.

I think the person you're replying to is referring to the fact you highlight, that money is the qualifier for who lives better or worse, as part of the scam.

Should the impoverished just pull themselves up by their bootstraps harder?

Conversely, do people who reject materialistic tenets of society deserve lower quality education?

It could be that those doctors and CPAs are just following in other peoples' footsteps, following life paths prescribed for them. As a poster below mentioned, they aren't necessarily the happiest people.

Isn't part of what we're talking about is that what is considered "normal" is up for debate, and some people choose something off the beaten path of the high-powered career-oriented lifestyle? That they're diversifying the focus of their waking hours instead of putting in overtime to the man to pay insane rent, and finding out that it is gratifying?

Re: Millennials to Small Cities: Ready or Not, Here We Come

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I did not ever expect to see my old hometown of 30k people on HN. Growing up there in the 80s and 90s, it was a nice enough place, but basically 0 tech jobs outside of doing basic IT or support. My parents still live there (my dad an EE at the mentioned Cummins), but the fortunes of the town are tied to Cummins' stock price. They've done a lot to revitalize the downtown in the last decade, it used to be pretty run do…

Denver and surrounding areas will be unaffordable in the next few years, much like San Francisco today. It's a good time to buy property now and see it double in value.

Re: Millennials to Small Cities: Ready or Not, Here We Come

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The financial crisis delayed the usual process of marriage, having children, and house buying for millenials. Instead of doing it in their mid/late 20's, they held off until late 20's/early 30s.

Everyone likes to be young and in the city. It's fun. You can go out and have unlimited options for things to do, places to eat, etc.

The exorbitant rent charges for luxury apartments is something that becomes unpalatable once you get sick of living with roommates, or want to have a family. As people get older they generally go out less and appreciate nature, personal space, and quiet more. (Obviously a generalization but in aggregate is true)

It's also easier than ever to take an Uber in to the city, should you wish, to avoid parking and drinking and driving.

Re: Millennials to Small Cities: Ready or Not, Here We Come

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I'm from the Midwest, from the Cedar Rapids area, moved to Chicago, and I have to say I would NEVER EVER move back there. People from these areas are extremely conservative and xenophobic. The restaurants and any business you might frequent are of lower quality. These cities are not world class cities. Claiming that they are is just ignorant. You end up trapped in a little bubble with nowhere to escape to, surrounded…

I grew up in a town with 30,000 people (much smaller than Cedar Rapids) in the PNW. It's rabidly republican. Also 30% Hispanic. Sure, there's racists around, probably more than your average city, but it's not an intolerable amount. > Additionally: Their nature sucks. I hope you're fine with never hiking through any interesting terrain, going skiing, or rock climbing, or really doing any interesting outdoor activities…

> grew up in a town with 30,000 people (much smaller than Cedar Rapids) in the PNW. It's rabidly republican. Also 30% Hispanic.

You grew up in a completely different part of the country than what I am referring to: The Midwest, specifically the Cedar Rapids area, so I don't really see how your arguments about how somewhere completely across the country is a better place to live is applicable.

In fact: Your statement that the nature around you is great is EXACTLY MY POINT! The Midwest is flat and we've butchered all of our forests in order to plant corn fields. Don't move there. The cheap land isn't worth it.

Yeah, the PNW is amazing. I think living there would be great, which is why I'm moving there in the next few months.

edit: A apologize if I came off smarmy in my reply, it's obviously my fault that I wasn't clear enough that my feelings are very specific to the midwest, and even more specifically for the cedar rapids area.

Re: Millennials to Small Cities: Ready or Not, Here We Come

#87
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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"ever"? We live in an affluent neighborhood surrounded by Doctors and CPAs. Our kids see that every day. That's their normal. And if/when there are major budget changes to the district, who do you think are the first parents in line advocating for their school? You literally buy your kids a chance at a better future.

School funds should be distributed equally across the entire population. If we were a democracy, rich neighborhoods wouldn't have better schools.

Spending’s not the problem. Income just happens to correlate with having kids who aren’t disruptive and (are made to) care about education. The money itself isn’t the main reason for different school outcomes.

Re: Millennials to Small Cities: Ready or Not, Here We Come

#88
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Affordable housing and good salaries are usually on the conflicting ends of the same scale. A place that has high-paying jobs will have residents out-bidding each other, driving up the prices of the housing market. Conversely, super cheap housing is usually an indicator that there really is no demand from affluent residents. As a counter-point to what I just said, more and more information-based jobs can be done remo…

I feel like if all work was suddenly remote, city residency would drop at least 50% in a week. I hope remote eventually becomes the norm. There are probably a lot more like me out there who even in their 20s only work in a metro area solely out of necessity. I have a hard time imagining that all these people I see on HN pining for city living and making suburbs out to be worse than prison are more than a vocal minori…

I don't agree. Super dense cities like New York might fall out of favor, but smaller cities will still be attractive. Being able to walk to wherever you want to go is very nice. In the suburbs you have to drive 10 minutes to get anywhere, which is quite annoying. Maybe that will change once self driving cars become the norm though.

Re: Millennials to Small Cities: Ready or Not, Here We Come

#89

Just open your own business (products or freelance) and move to Mexico to work remotely for US customers. Super cheap, better food, tropical climate. 90% of HN readers would be smart enough to do this and sustain themselves beautifully.

Are you an American living in Mexico? Or a Mexican? Or what?

Re: Millennials to Small Cities: Ready or Not, Here We Come

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't the point that the "here we come" millenials are bringing their own startups with them, or working remotely? So you can live in a boring, inexpensive college town somewhere, but still have exciting, well-paid work.

Well sure. I do have a friend who's trying to get a 3D print studio startup going that lives in the area, even. But there's not a huge market there for new businesses outside of restaurants (seriously, it's a test market for new restaurants and it has one of the highest amount of restaurants per capita in the US), as far as I can tell at least. If you work completely remotely that's fine, but at least the article was…

Do you have any more info on the restaurants per capita? Google isn't very helpful.

I ask only out of mild interest. The village closest to me has ~30 and just 1200 residents. However, it's a tourist town and there are zero franchise fast food places, or the likes.

Wait, mostly disregard this. I was looking for the wrong town and now have a bunch of information.

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