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Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by jnwatson »

legostormtroopr wrote: post #68
cal5k wrote: post #19

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Well here's an example - I'm having jaw surgery tomorrow and will be on a liquid diet for a week. I stocked my fridge up with Soylent so that I'd have something decent-tasting and relatively nutritious to drink while I'm feeling like garbage. I also will make shakes, but sometimes soylent is just easier.

Why not buy a commercially made meal replacement product that has been on the market for decades and is endorsed by nursing and medical professions and is used in hospitals? Its not like no one had ever done meal-replacement foods before Soylent came along. Its not new, its not cheaper, its not as well regulated, its not as flavorful. Seriously, why would you buy Soylent (which has had numerous beta 'failures') over…

I thought that too, but I was wrong. Before Soylent and the other meal replacements that came up behind them, there wasn't anything out there.

One 8 oz bottle of Ensure has 220 calories and 33g of carbs, 15g of which is just sugar. You might as well just have a coke and some protein powder.

Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

rblatz wrote: post #80
tree_of_item wrote: post #73

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Ensure in particular is a bad example. I'm sure it is used in lots of hospitals but it shouldn't be: https://storiesbycarrol.wordpress.com/2015/09/01/food-or-vil...

Everyone is all about trusting science and medical professionals right up until it comes to dietitians... Then suddenly random bloggers and cherry picked studies come flying out of the wood work, much like the anti-vaccine crowd. And I say this with the belief that Americans eat too many carbs, and a higher fat/lower carb diet would be better for people. I just don’t understand this disconnect.

> Everyone is all about trusting science and medical professionals

To counter this, I'v been reading a lot lately about how science has a publish-or-perish problem / unreproducible results problem / influence by industry problem.

And the medical profession / pharmaceutical industry is complicit in the opium epidemic. Many of the medical drugs, doctors use, outside of infectious disease control, don't actually work in the sense that you take them for a period of time and are cured.

It is the fault of government department dietitians, and their political overlords, that we are in this obesity / diabetes / heart disease mess.

Given the traditional dietary advice of "eat less fat, start your day will a bowl full of sugar and milk" is wrong, is it any wonder people are making so much noise?

Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by dragonwriter »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #82
rblatz wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone is all about trusting science and medical professionals right up until it comes to dietitians... Then suddenly random bloggers and cherry picked studies come flying out of the wood work, much like the anti-vaccine crowd. And I say this with the belief that Americans eat too many carbs, and a higher fat/lower carb diet would be better for people. I just don’t understand this disconnect.

> Everyone is all about trusting science and medical professionals To counter this, I'v been reading a lot lately about how science has a publish-or-perish problem / unreproducible results problem / influence by industry problem. And the medical profession / pharmaceutical industry is complicit in the opium epidemic. Many of the medical drugs, doctors use, outside of infectious disease control, don't actually work in…

> Given the traditional dietary advice of "eat less fat, start your day will a bowl full of sugar and milk" is wrong

It's also not traditional dietary advice; at least living in the US my whole life, I've only seen it as “advice” in advertisements from people selling the sugary products in question.

Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

dragonwriter wrote: post #83
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Everyone is all about trusting science and medical professionals To counter this, I'v been reading a lot lately about how science has a publish-or-perish problem / unreproducible results problem / influence by industry problem. And the medical profession / pharmaceutical industry is complicit in the opium epidemic. Many of the medical drugs, doctors use, outside of infectious disease control, don't actually work in…

> Given the traditional dietary advice of "eat less fat, start your day will a bowl full of sugar and milk" is wrong It's also not traditional dietary advice; at least living in the US my whole life, I've only seen it as “advice” in advertisements from people selling the sugary products in question.

Yes, that's a fair point. I admit I misrepresented the facts.

Here's what the Dietitians Association of Australia[1] recommends:

- A bowl of whole grain cereal with milk, a dollop of yoghurt and sliced fresh fruit. Try adding a sprinkle of nuts for extra crunch!

- A delicious smoothie made from milk, fresh fruit and yoghurt

- A toasted slice of sourdough with some cheese, baked beans or avocado

- Untoasted muesli or rolled oats

- Poached eggs on whole grain toast with tomato, mushrooms or spinach

That seams reasonable to me, except maybe that every one of the recommendations includes grains. Although I don't see why breakfast can't be 100 grams of slow cooked / steamed meat with a bowl of steamed vegetables / a salad.

1. https://daa.asn.au/smart-eating-for-you/smart-eating-fast-fa...

Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by [deleted] »

ajeet_dhaliwal wrote: post #55
pmarreck wrote: post #8

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These regulations are outdated. The push against fat calories and towards carbohydrates was largely motivated by the sugar industry, see: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oLtQLDptI1g In addition to this, fat calories are more “filling” than carbohydrate calories. Something useful for a meal replacement (assuming unsaturated/“healthy” fats) I hope Soylent sticks to their guns with the best knowledge available, and I hope…

I used to live in Canada, now back in UK. Canadians won’t push for reforms. They’ll accept it. Incredibly docile population. Also they have more pressing issues, online purchases from outside Canada are charged duty if the purchase is over CDN $20. In the US the duties apply only after USD $800. See: http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/duty-free-limit-america-1.34... There are countless other ‘controls’ of this sort in p…

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Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by whazor »

pmarreck wrote: post #8
raquo wrote: post #6

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Fat calories would be one reason. 47% in soylent vs 35% max allowed. Their announcement mentions that it failed more than one requirement, so there must be something else in addition to this.

These regulations are outdated. The push against fat calories and towards carbohydrates was largely motivated by the sugar industry, see: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oLtQLDptI1g In addition to this, fat calories are more “filling” than carbohydrate calories. Something useful for a meal replacement (assuming unsaturated/“healthy” fats) I hope Soylent sticks to their guns with the best knowledge available, and I hope…

Crazy to think that they could just add lots of sugar and it will be allowed as a meal replacement.

Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by KitDuncan »

garyrichardson wrote: post #77

Field Roast Vegan Sausages ( https://fieldroast.com/product-family/sausages/ ) were temporarily banned a couple of years ago ( http://fieldroast.com/blog/field-roast-coming-back-canada/ ). I'm a vegetarian, not vegan, but I was pretty angry when they disappeared from our shelves. There was also some scuttlebutt that Field Roast was reported to the CFIA by a competitor. As a left leaning Canadian. But don't tell me wh…

Completly off topic, but everybody should try the field roast apple sage sausages. They are absolutely amazing.

Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by KitDuncan »

pumpaction wrote: post #33
cisanti wrote: post #17

Are that kind of drinks popular in North America and if, then why..? I'm having problems understanding why would anyone want to consume something like that.

It made me fart like crazy when I tried it. Felt very bloated and had some dire shits. And on top of all that, it had a rather unsatisfactory taste. I wouldn't recommend it.

I experimented with drinking Soylent only for a week and experienced no issues at all. But I am already vegan, so my gut may have been adjusted.

Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by kawsper »

simonsarris wrote: post #56
ThrowawayR2 wrote: post #54

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> Why not just mix skyr and heavy cream if that's the kind of meal you want? Requires refrigeration, not shelf stable, contains lactose, which not everyone can tolerate, contains cholesterol, less convenient than bottles, not vegan, for those who it matters to, and more expensive than the equivalent amount of Soylent to top it all off. And that's without even trying particularly hard to think of reasons. And, for the…

I didn't know anyone was afraid of dietary cholesterol in 2017. Remember, I'm advocating: > Pasteurized Whole Milk, Pasteurized Cream, Live Active Cultures Over: > Filtered water, soy protein isolate, maltodextrin, high oleic sunflower oil, isomaltulose, canola oil, rice starch, oat fiber, isomaltooligosaccharide, soy lecithin, potassium chloride, calcium phosphate, magnesium phosphate, natural & artificial flavors,…

If you aren't a baby cow, is lactose intolerant or is a vegan you might not want all that dairy that you are proposing.

Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by kawsper »

pumpaction wrote: post #36
nether wrote: post #13

Huel (another powdered food) is running into this. They just started shipping to the US, but are delayed with Canada because they say the regulations there are "much more stringent." Canada outright banned rBGH.

"Huel" sounds like an onomatopoeia for vomiting. Unfortunate name choice.

The idea they had was: HUman fuEL = HUEL.
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