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Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by r3bl »

revelation wrote: post #33
vmp wrote: post #14

> ifupdown has been deprecated in favor of netplan and is no longer present on new installs [...] > Given that ifupdown is no longer installed by default, its commands will not be present: ifup and ifdown are thus unavailable, replaced by ip link set $device up and ip link set $device down. Sad to see this go; I always use ifup, ifdown and ifconfig. Yes, they're old and clunky tools but in a way they are the staple o…

This is just such a shambles. Great idea number 1: let's put all the functionality into one command line tool, and we'call it ip for ... "internet protocol"? Why is this ip tool managing my ethernet network card? Great idea number 2: for this powerful swiss army knife, only a special syntax will do where we repeat the name of an argument before the argument value. To make sure no one can use it's functionality with l…

It's not like we're losing the previous tools completely. This is just switched defaults and net-tools and ifupdown are just one "apt install" away.

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by cisanti »

oblio wrote: post #77
ausjke wrote: post #68

32-bit installer images are no longer provided for Ubuntu Desktop. The Ubuntu Desktop now uses GNOME instead of Unity. On supported systems, Wayland is now the default display server. The older display server is still available: just choose Ubuntu on Xorg from the cog on the log in screen. GDM has replaced LightDM as the default display manager. The login screen now uses virtual terminal 1 instead of virtual terminal…

> Python 2 is no longer installed by default. Python 3 has been updated to 3.6. And so it begins. I think/hope that the next RHEL will do the same thing, at which point the final nail will be in Py2's coffin.

Fabric is still not supporting py3, it's important tool for a lot of admins.

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by cisanti »

jstanley wrote: post #28
lonk wrote: post #24

The time, labor and money spent for unity in the end went to waste.

It almost certainly influenced Gnome, so it might not all be wasted.

But what is the reason they still don't have proper window list / dock? Do many people use third party solutions like dock to Taskbar etc that clearly mimic Ubuntu.

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by shakna »

cisanti wrote: post #82
oblio wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Python 2 is no longer installed by default. Python 3 has been updated to 3.6. And so it begins. I think/hope that the next RHEL will do the same thing, at which point the final nail will be in Py2's coffin.

Fabric is still not supporting py3, it's important tool for a lot of admins.

There's a maintained Fabric fork [0] for Python 3, it is basically a drop-in and available via pip.

[0] https://github.com/mathiasertl/fabric/

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by broodbucket »

cisanti wrote: post #82
oblio wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Python 2 is no longer installed by default. Python 3 has been updated to 3.6. And so it begins. I think/hope that the next RHEL will do the same thing, at which point the final nail will be in Py2's coffin.

Fabric is still not supporting py3, it's important tool for a lot of admins.

Plenty of things don't have python 3 support, but you can still use python2 without it being /usr/bin/python.

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by wybiral »

cisanti wrote: post #82
oblio wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Python 2 is no longer installed by default. Python 3 has been updated to 3.6. And so it begins. I think/hope that the next RHEL will do the same thing, at which point the final nail will be in Py2's coffin.

Fabric is still not supporting py3, it's important tool for a lot of admins.

Yeah, that's one of the only things I still use Python2 for.

But it seems that they have a v2 in the works that's supposed to support Python3: https://github.com/fabric/fabric/tree/v2

And there's also a fork: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/Fabric3

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by oblio »

cisanti wrote: post #82
oblio wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Python 2 is no longer installed by default. Python 3 has been updated to 3.6. And so it begins. I think/hope that the next RHEL will do the same thing, at which point the final nail will be in Py2's coffin.

Fabric is still not supporting py3, it's important tool for a lot of admins.

Fabric is reacting to what the most conservative group or Linux users (sysadmins for RHEL) are asking for. That's why RHEL moving to Python 3 would be the last push needed.

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by sspiff »

reacweb wrote: post #38
angrygoat wrote: post #18

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With Fedora jumping over nearly a year ago to Wayland as default in F25, and now Ubuntu in a non-LTS release, hopefully we'll see a tipping point where software (especially third-party/proprietary software) simply must work well on Wayland in order to have a user base. Once we've got an Ubuntu LTS and a RHEL/CentOS release out there with Wayland by default, X11 ought to rapidly become a thing of the past. There's Xwa…

I have bought a new desktop this spring. The first thing I did was configuring wake on lan (in France, we have 7 days to cancel a purchase). The second one was to configure ssh and gnome to be able to administer it remotely (line DisallowTCP=false in /etc/gdm3/custom.conf). I use Linux at work since 1999 and I have used a local display less than 1% of the time. An application that does not work remotely does not exis…

I use my Linux desktop through VNC roughly 50% of the time I'm using it (though, honestly, most of the time I work locally on my laptop).

It's convenient to have access to the desktop session I left running the night before remotely if I want to. I mostly use it to sync files/code I forgot to upload when I quit the last time, or to start a download on Steam or something like that.

I'm sure Wayland will eventually support similar usage, but I understand you reluctance to adopt it until it does.

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by detaro »

broodbucket wrote: post #86
cisanti wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fabric is still not supporting py3, it's important tool for a lot of admins.

Plenty of things don't have python 3 support, but you can still use python2 without it being /usr/bin/python.

I doubt very much Ubuntu has made python3 /usr/bin/python, since the official recommendation of the Python project is to not do that.

Still true of course that it doesn't have to be installed by default even if some applications still need it.

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