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Re: Steve Wozniak announces tech education platform Woz U

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Although it would be unfortunate if this was the case, this paragraph from the about page ( https://woz-u.com/about/ ) leads me to think that this is just using Steve Wozniak's name for branding: Inspired by Steve Wozniak, co-founder of Apple Computer, we specialize in technology and career-based programs designed to get people into the workforce quickly and affordably...Led by higher education experts, Exeter Educat…

I can't imagine a guy like The Woz allowing his name to be associated with something sub-par which he has no control over. He understands the importance and weight of his personal brand.

He's an idealist and "too good" of a person and believes in people too readily to be a cutthroat business guy. I can see a situation where he'd be talked into a situation you describe, because he doesn't have a personality that first questions others' motives and agendas.

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Hard to see this without thinking about Steve Wozniak University. https://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=Steve_Wozniak_Un...

Folklore.org is such a great site, almost every story is a gem. Just clicking on the next left me with a smile on my face.

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I checked Woz's twitter feed to see if he mentioned this at all (which he didn't) and noticed that he gives accurate location updates constantly. Even which hotel room he's in. https://twitter.com/stevewoz

It's probably because he uses Swarm (which is basically rebranded Foursquare checkins) connected to his Twitter account.

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He has a big heart. A few years ago Steve gave an interview with Patrick Bet-David, which was simply a marketing piece for Patrick's company, PHP Agency. PHP Agency is a financial firm founded on the power of "network marketing". The idea behind network marketing is to turn your social network into pyramid, positioning yourself at the top of the pyramid. I don't like network marketing companies, and I believe they ar…

> The idea behind network marketing is to turn your social network into pyramid, positioning yourself at the top of the pyramid. Isn't this the idea behind Patreon?

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Re: Steve Wozniak announces tech education platform Woz U

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Scott Galloway was saying Apple should take it's war chest and disrupt the educational system. Start an Apple University where the skills required for tomorrows jobs can be acquired. Would be great if you could get Amazon, MS, Apple, facebook, etc on board to start the revolution in education.

Except they don't have the talent, the knowledge, or the incentives to educate people properly.

They have the incentive to create a job pipeline for their own companies.

Amazon, Microsoft, Apple and Facebook have exactly one thing in common: they're all big tech giants that exploit workers.

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Woz likes teaching I'd be surprised he sold his name for nothing else but money.

"Woz likes teaching I'd be surprised he sold his name for nothing else but money." I feel the same way. This is part of what he had to say in a comment [1] he wrote in 2013, discussing the then-released Jobs film. It absolutely speaks volumes about his character: "And when Jobs (in the movie, but really a board does this) denied stock to the early garage team (some not even shown) I'm surprised that they chose not to…

Thanks for that link, I hadn't seen this before. Very insightful to read the words of Woz on this; inspires such great respect.

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If getting "complete" software engineering training today amounts to learning a popular JS framework, HTML, and CSS...we're in big trouble. Any company exploiting this dogma and convincing folks who don't know any better to pay tens of thousands of dollars and leave their job for 3-5 months should be ashamed of themselves. I'm not, for the record, against people learning any of these things. But for those who bought into the idea that it's enough to make them competitive in the job market today will get a rude awakening in the next couple years.

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You can't teach children proper mathematics. That's what's different. Children are not in general ready for math before 8'th or 9'th grade. That's why they are just pestered with arithmetic until the majority becomes numberfobes. And then have difficulties with real mathematics later.

I have not seen that data point before, children not being ready for math until 8/9 grade. Where did you learn that/see that?

I'm a mathematician. I have taught mathematics, albeit briefly, at the university level.

I disagree with the person you responded to, but want to thread this here.

Mathematics can be taught at early ages. Unfortunately, we tend to teach mathematics by rote. We teach arithmetic and not mathematics.

What we could be doing is teaching mathematics as a language. Mathematics is a language, it's an expressive language that relies on logic. Like any language, it is unconstained by reality and can be used to express concepts and ideals. In conjunction with other languages, it can express complexities and trivialities.

Unfortunately, we never seem to teach kids why, but simply teach them the method. We teach them a process, by rote and enforcement. We don't encourage discovery, nor do we try to explain the totality. In part, I believe, this is due to many who give instruction not actually having the knowledge to do so.

Tempting as this is to turn this into a novella, I'll try for brevity. It is true that mathematics isn't an easy subject, but a part of that difficulty comes from the way in which we teach it.

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I have not seen that data point before, children not being ready for math until 8/9 grade. Where did you learn that/see that?

I'm a mathematician. I have taught mathematics, albeit briefly, at the university level. I disagree with the person you responded to, but want to thread this here. Mathematics can be taught at early ages. Unfortunately, we tend to teach mathematics by rote. We teach arithmetic and not mathematics. What we could be doing is teaching mathematics as a language. Mathematics is a language, it's an expressive language that…

Are Problems where you use the Theory enough? How many? All uses or just some?

If not Problems, maybe modify the Theory a little and show which Problems are unsolvable now?

Are those two in the Why included? What else do you think should be included?

Regards.

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I'm a mathematician. I have taught mathematics, albeit briefly, at the university level. I disagree with the person you responded to, but want to thread this here. Mathematics can be taught at early ages. Unfortunately, we tend to teach mathematics by rote. We teach arithmetic and not mathematics. What we could be doing is teaching mathematics as a language. Mathematics is a language, it's an expressive language that…

Are Problems where you use the Theory enough? How many? All uses or just some? If not Problems, maybe modify the Theory a little and show which Problems are unsolvable now? Are those two in the Why included? What else do you think should be included? Regards.

I am not sure I understand your questions. So, I will try to answer them. If you feel my answers aren't adequate, feel free to ask more detailed questions.

No, problems where someone uses a theory isn't enough. They should understand why they use it and know what alternatives exist. They should be able to process this linguistically.

Basically, "The problem is this and I want to solve this problem this way, because this way gives me the resulting information needed."

They should know as much as they can, it should be progressive and taught like we teach languages. Mathematics isn't just a language for solving problems, it can express problems just as easily.

Absolutely, people should be encouraged to try different things. Much like we are encouraged to write an essay, we should encourage people to compose a story with mathematics and it's very much okay to mix it with a second language. Physics is such a thing. In physics, you use both mathematics and your language to expresss and prove. Without both math and a traditional language, some concepts aren't able to be expressed. This is why published papers contain both text and math.

I am not sure about your 'why.' The why is to enable more people to understand the language of mathematics and to enable them to use it to their advantage.

I think that it can be done by increasing exposure and teaching it with greater complexity. It's fine to memorize addition and subtraction tables, but understanding the concepts behind those things is more important.

To be fair, for a short while, we do sort of teach it as a language. This fades out and becomes rote. In early education, we will teach with an abacus and countable objects. We will teach the less than and greater than as a fish that eats the bigger number. Eventually, that stops and concepts aren't considered while memorizing rules is.

I will share a brief story...

I hated mathematics. I absolutely hated it. I didn't understand it. I just did what I was told and gave the answers because I followed instructions.

When I was in sevent grade, I was working on problems which required me to return the area of right triangles. My teacher had stood behind me for some time, I'm not sure how long, before they spoke up.

I remember exactly what they said, to this very day. "You know, all you have to do is square those triangles, find the area, and divide that number in half."

That one instant, my life was permanently altered. At that moment in time, it all clicked. It wasn't easy from there on out. It wasn't a magic moment where I understood everything.

No, it was the moment that I understood that it was a language and that there were many ways to say the same thing. It was that moment when I actually understood that the symbols where actually telling a story. It was that moment when I realized that it was expressing an idea, a concept, and that it was descriptive.

I still stay in touch with that teacher, though they are old and frail. Had it not been for them, my life would be very different. Had it not been for them, for that moment in time, for that effort to make clear, I'd be a very different person.

Most of us can probably have that moment, but little instruction is given that allows for it. We aren't given the chance to see math as a language that is as rich as it is. If we want people to excel at math, we need to find a way to give them that moment.

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